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CaboRon
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Public Meeting about CFE
This notice appeared in the BWO this morning .... many in Todos Santos have received elec bills many times higher than ever before ....
High Electricity Rates - To all of you who received a high electricity bill, please be advised that the Procuraduria Federal Del Consumidor,
Profeco,(Federal Consumer Protection Agency) will be in TS at the DIF, next to la ARCA on 10/22, 10 AM,with the Reps of the CFE to hear all complaints
about the excessive billing rates. Please bring your bill with some ID and bring along all your friends. - Antonio Bolio, antonio@bolio.com
612 171 0432 , Todos Santos
Editor's Note: We have been asked to include the information that the rate we pay here in Todos Santos is two to three times higher than that paid in
Laz Paz and Cabo.
edit for spelling
[Edited on 10-23-2008 by CaboRon]
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stanburn
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Okay, no one else has bitten so I will.
What are the rates on your CFE bill?
The rates on mine (I live on the mainland) are:
Basico = 0.571 per kwh
Intermedio = 0.672 per kwh
Suma = don't know I've never been there and there isn't a rate on the bill.
I am curious how your rates compare.
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CaboRon
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basico 0.575
intermedio 0.883
excedente 2.283
Evidently once you reach the excendente , that becomes the rate for the entire following year for all kilowatt hours used.
We shall see what the rep says in the meeting ....
It is difficult to get a straight answer at the office.
CaboRon
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CaboRon
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I just copied those numbers off of my bill ...
Before this billing period I had never seen the Excendente rate either.
My previous bills have been around 25 dollars US ... this one is 138 dollars US .... now that is scary ....
This is happening to local Mexicans also.
CaboRon
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CaboRon
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Now you know why we are having this community meeting !!!
CaboRon
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akshadow
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Those rates look very similar to the San Felipe rates if my memory serves me. The lower rates get a large government subsidy. and are limited number
of kilowatts my memory is that the total that the government subsidizes is 200 KW per MONTH. And each month starts over. There are also different
rates summer vs winter .
2.2 peso per kw is not bad since it is for KW in excess of 200 per month, less than many places in the us.
It will add up unless on controls their useage,
When we are there in the Nov - Dec period and Feb - April period we usually only go over by a few KW.
Ron San Felipe Oct, Nov. Feb. Mar. April. remainder in Juneau Ak
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stanburn
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CaboRon,
Thanks for the feedback. It is also my understanding that once you hit the high rate that you pay that rate for all of your usage for the next 12
months. Even then in order to get back to a lower rate you have to reduce your consumption to the lower level.
That's why I have learned how to live without air conditioning here in the tropics!
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longlegsinlapaz
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I have copies of all my bills back to 2002. Each & every month there has been a rate increase in ALL the rate categories:
basico/intermedio/excedemente.
Actuals
January 2002
.400 / 0-75 kWh
.473 / 76- 300 kWh
1.590 / 301 & above
September 2008
.571 / 350 kWh
.857 / 351 - 850
You still pay basic & intermedio rates when you exceed 850 kWh per cycle & move into excedemente, but they also lower the amount of kWh in
each of the lower rate categories. On the months that I was in the excedemente usage, the government subsidy was still applied.
It's hard to make a definitive analysis because of the monthly rate increases, the kWh reductions in basic & intermedio schedules once excedemente
kicks in & to complicate things even more, the government subsidy if not a fixed amount, it's on a sliding scale based on temperature. Subsidy
starts out low, increases during the hottest months & starts cutting back in Sept/Oct.
The only thing I can say for sure is you need to keep your usage under 850 kWh each billing cycle to maintain the lowest rates.
All the rates people have posted prove that the rates are the same regardless of locale & that it's individual usage that drives the cost up.
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Just got my latest electric bill online (to Oct 20) and considering there were 3 weeks of minisplit A/C use in it it's OK - 594 kWh, first 300 charged
at 0.459 pesos, next 294 at 0.608 pesos.
With tax and various discounts the amount payable is 238 pesos (now under $20). This is for the 1F tariff, max 5kW, in San Felipe.
However, it was recently 400 kWh/month at the lowest rate, so reducing that is helping creep the rates up. Still a bargain though compared to most
countries, for low users. I think the idea of charging tiers and high prices for heavy users is great, encourages people to reduce their usage.
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I checked my bill for Los Cabos residence. Four months (Jun, Jul, Aug, Sept) we averaged 525 Kwh per month living full time with mini splits and two
different groups of guests. The four months was about $225 total.
We can live with that.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oxxo
I checked my bill for Los Cabos residence. Four months (Jun, Jul, Aug, Sept) we averaged 525 Kwh per month living full time with mini splits and two
different groups of guests. The four months was about $225 total.
We can live with that. |
that's less than i pay in san diego, and i don't run a/c ever. who's complaining down there?
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BajaOnion
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Thanks for referencing our article. It is actually BWO - not BTO - Baja Western Onion. We can be found at www.bajawesternonion.com and we publish a free, twice weekly on-line newsletter serving the Todos Santos/Pescadero region. We welcome subscribers
from all over U.S., Canada and Mexico - and places beyond.
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaOnion
Thanks for referencing our article. It is actually BWO - not BTO - Baja Western Onion. We can be found at www.bajawesternonion.com and we publish a free, twice weekly on-line newsletter serving the Todos Santos/Pescadero region. We welcome subscribers
from all over U.S., Canada and Mexico - and places beyond. |
Welcome aboard ,
I fixed it ..... BWO is a great newsletter .....
If you live anywhere in Baja Sur it would do you well to subscribe ....
Looking forward to the BWO's report on the meeting today ..
CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaOnion
Thanks for referencing our article. It is actually BWO - not BTO - Baja Western Onion. We can be found at www.bajawesternonion.com and we publish a free, twice weekly on-line newsletter serving the Todos Santos/Pescadero region. We welcome subscribers
from all over U.S., Canada and Mexico - and places beyond. |
no no no ... it is we who welcome you here, for now. 
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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rob
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Just examined our CFE bill at the ranch for period 22 Oct to 20 Dec 2008 - a nasty shock.
With an increase of only 45Kwh (523kWh to 566kWh) from the previous period, our bill has gone from $350p to $892p! That's outrageous!
On closer examination, what has happened is that CFE has quietly decreased the Bāsico kWh allowance from 350 to 150kWh, bumping the balance into
Intermedio and, for the first time, into Excedente - this last accounting for almost $500p of the $892p bill.
As we don't use air conditioning or any other heavy electrical stuff, it's going to be hard to decrease this usage (which I am sure CFE factored into
the new rates).
It's Profeco time.
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In Nopolo our bill is for the first 150KW basic, the next 250KW for intermediate and above that the "Sockittome" rate.
I'm embarrased to show our bill, but if I did you would all feel a bit better.
[Edited on 1-21-2009 by vandenberg]
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Dave
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So...
| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
In Nopolo our bill is for the first 150KW basic, the next 250KW for intermediate and above that the "Sockittome" rate.
I'm embarrased to show our bill, but if I did you would all feel a bit better.
[Edited on 1-21-2009 by vandenberg] |
How come your 'basic' ends at 150kw and Longleg's is 75kw?
I've never shopped my electric bill and so assumed that all bills had the same rate breaks. Can anyone explain why rate breaks would be different
considering there is but one electric company?
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Dave,
If there was any prevailing logic, I love to hear it.
Here a summary of last 2 bills,
Sep.9 to Nov.11 2008,
Basico 600 KW precio 0.459
Intermedio 1200 KW " 0.765
Excedente " 2.290
Nov.11 to Jan.14 2009,
Basico 150 KW precio 0.661
Intermedio 250 KW " 1.085
Excedente " 2.305
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losfrailes
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Those rates are lower than we are paying in Santa Rosalia area:
Basico - .577
Intermedio - .866
Excediente - 2.290
| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
basico 0.575
intermedio 0.883
excedente 2.283
Evidently once you reach the excendente , that becomes the rate for the entire following year for all kilowatt hours used.
We shall see what the rep says in the meeting ....
It is difficult to get a straight answer at the office.
CaboRon |
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Russ
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I guess we're lucky we don't have to worry about Power bills here, nor water, land line phone or road repair. How ever our taxes just doubled? 
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