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[*] posted on 11-4-2008 at 12:28 PM
Plane wreck thread?


Why did it disappear?



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[*] posted on 11-4-2008 at 12:32 PM


i asked to delete it - frankly i was out of line to advance info so soon given that all the people affected might not have been notified yet.



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[*] posted on 11-4-2008 at 02:03 PM


Mike, no worrys
That was why I expressed my condolences after translating that article.
I agree with your decision 100%




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[*] posted on 11-4-2008 at 02:36 PM


Class move, and explanation.



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[*] posted on 11-4-2008 at 02:36 PM


there are other reports now on BBP.
the article contains as much as anyone knows.
Well it happens to the best. It is important at some time in the future to understand what went wrong so others can learn from it. There will be a full investigation with the help of the NTSB and the airframe and engine mfgrs all of which are routinely asked to assist foreign govt's in their post accident investigations.




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[*] posted on 11-4-2008 at 02:43 PM


Anyone who knew the pilot please extend our sympathies to their family.:(:(:(:(


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[*] posted on 11-4-2008 at 02:54 PM


Lo Siento. Be safe amigos.

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[*] posted on 11-4-2008 at 04:21 PM


What happened?

I went to BBP but can't view the forum. I guess there was an accident at Chivato

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[*] posted on 11-4-2008 at 06:39 PM


BBP now requires $49 (membership) to look at their forum... Doug offers all his forums for free, including a Private Pilots forum that all BBP members are welcome to use.

I wish Erik or his dad would realize there are non-pilots who would like to be able to view their forum... I understand some pilot-only info found there has a value and they deserve compensation for that... there could be a members only forum for that.




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[*] posted on 11-4-2008 at 06:50 PM


Quote:
Originally posted by David K
BBP now requires $49 (membership) to look at their forum... Doug offers all his forums for free, including a Private Pilots forum that all BBP members are welcome to use.

I wish Erik or his dad would realize there are non-pilots who would like to be able to view their forum... I understand some pilot-only info found there has a value and they deserve compensation for that... there could be a members only forum for that.


Ya, what David said!!!




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[*] posted on 11-4-2008 at 08:33 PM


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[*] posted on 11-4-2008 at 09:35 PM


So anyone who paid for the BBP membership care to tell us what happened. I'm curious but still not buying the membership.
I don't think I need it.




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[*] posted on 11-4-2008 at 10:46 PM


According to posts this morning a King Air crashed on takeoff from Punta Chivato and was destroyed.
Pilot was only soul on board.
Guess we will have to wait for the Union to fill in the details.
Sad story.
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[*] posted on 11-5-2008 at 07:16 AM


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According to posts this morning a King Air crashed on takeoff from Punta Chivato and was destroyed.
Pilot was only soul on board.
Guess we will have to wait for the Union to fill in the details.
Sad story.


details are in spanish language press. you can google to find the news articles.
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[*] posted on 11-5-2008 at 08:21 AM


Mulegé, Baja California Sur.- Un avión particular se impactó contra tierra en Punta Chivato, Mulegé, el único tripulante, el piloto, perdió la vida y de ello dan cuenta las fotografías del cuerpo calcinado de quien aparentemente en vida llevara el nombre de Jim Minear.

Hasta el momento se desconocen los motivos del accidente. Se trata del avión King Air matrícula N200JL propiedad del señor John Lyddon, residente de Punta Chivato, Mulegé.

El finado piloto volaba de regreso del Pacífico Sur en donde había dejado a sus patrones con fines vacacionales. Ante de llegar a la pista de Punta Chivato el avión se impactó en un cerro, donde quedó calcinado, esto alrededor de las 13:30 horas. Actualmente se hacen las investigaciones.
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sad.gif posted on 11-5-2008 at 08:56 AM
you're missing the point Bucky


Quote:
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So anyone who paid for the BBP membership care to tell us what happened. I'm curious but still not buying the membership.
I don't think I need it.


Bucky - the dues paid with your membership helps protect us with Jack's lobby efforts in Mexico city - and a whole lot of other benefits which more than repatriate the $50 a year.
It, a membership, costs you less than 8 gals of CA priced avgas. Not to mention all the current info the forum provides pilots venturing to baja and mainland. You're being cheap Bucky - you should pitch in and support baja flying, not just reap the rewards others help achieve.
Do you not remember the days just a few years ago when Mexico's DGAC exacted a $56 PER VISIT tax on foreign aircraft entering the country??!! that went on for a full year before BBP's efforts alone got it repealed to become an annual multi entry permit. Maybe you weren't a baja flyer then. Well at $56 a trip ADDED on i guess you wouldn't have gone often if you can't cough up a lousy $50 a year for a proven support organization.

And as for a flyer's FREE forum - the section here on nomads is not in any league compared to the BBP - there are not enough pilots here to keep it viable or interesting.

DK doesn't get it either, Hook's analogy is right on. BBP doesn't have the time or interest to run an added forum that the whole non pilot world can rube around on. They don't need multiple forums - they are all about one single interest.




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[*] posted on 11-5-2008 at 09:08 AM


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[*] posted on 11-5-2008 at 09:15 AM


$50 per year is a small fee for all the up-to-date information that is shared by BBP on their website, as well as for the good work they do to keep the hassles for private pilots to a minimum.

I would not want to fly Baja with a private pilot who shunned BBP membership.

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[*] posted on 11-5-2008 at 09:33 AM


Mike, Hook, Natalie, etc.

I have nothing against membership fees for the organization and member only benefits... read my comment again...

The FORUM (only) is not the only thing you get as a BBP member... a forum is a way for others to SEE the benefits of being a member... The forum was always open and viewable for all the years BBP was online... and BBP has grown.

Now, with the FORUM not viewable, how easily can Jack and Erik PROMOTE what their club does (without an open and viewable forum)? Now, only by word of mouth instead of the World Wide Web can anyone see what a benefit BBP is.

Again, Baja Bush Pilots (founded by Arnold Senterfitt) is a club that always charged for membership but ALWAYS had a web site bulletin board/ forum that could be viewed for free (like Baja Nomad and all other Baja web sites).

Viewing the forum for free but requiring membership to participate would sure be more inviting to future potential members (than a secret society that non members are not welcome to check out and see the benefits of joining). I am interested in the success of BBP as a great club for pilots to join and that is why I made this comment.

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[*] posted on 11-5-2008 at 09:48 AM
I agree with David


I flew my Cutlass in Baja for 15 years and was planning to return to Baja flying when Chuck and I bot our plane two years ago. Then he crashed, and that took all the heart out of it.
Were I an active Baja pilot I would cheerfully put up the $50.
I am not.
But, I am still interested, and would like to occasionally peruse a site that still holds some interest for me.
But, if every interest that I hold would cost me $50 per year to pursue,
well......
you fill in the blanks.
'nuff sed...
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