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Ken Bondy
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No Tire Basura!!
What's wrong with this photo?
[Edited on 2-17-2003 by Ken Bondy]
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Minnow
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The fact I'm not passing that sign right now on my way south out of El Rosario.
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reefrocket
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#1 I don't see any Mc D. or Burger K. lables.
#2 no llantras (sp)
What it NEEDS is some orange jump suits and pokie stick. Call it outside entertainment, and in the orange suit groups there would be a waiting line.
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SEATWILL
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after looking at the pic,the sign should read SI TIRE BASURA 
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Stephanie Jackter
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It's enough to make your stomach churn, isn't it. I've had the same experience. The first time I ever saw sea lions off the little island with the
faro behind pichilingue, there was a young sea lion being strangled by a plastic soda pop six pack holder. Not a thing I could do but cry for the
inhumanity of man to our fellow beings. - Stephanie
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bancoduo
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Looks like rosarito beach.
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Barry A.
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Ken-----
As long as I live, I will NEVER understand why folks do this--------talk about soiling one's own nest------it just makes no sense for any "thinking"
individual to do this-------it makes me very sad, and it ALWAYS has.
It is a crime against the earth, our only home, and a manisfestation of some real hostility, as I see it.
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Dianamo
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looks like silicon valley
Sad, but litter still exists even in Silicon Valley! I should get a photo of the litter that is visible next to the $1000 fine for littering
sign!
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Barry A.
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Ken------
-----as I look further at that photo, it occurred to me that it looks similar to the climb going south from the big bridge across the river just east
of El Rosario. If that is so, isn't there a land-fill close by just up stream?? Hopefully I am right, and that trash has just blown out of the dump
in the wind------------still a shame, but a little more understandable.
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bajajudy
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Garbology
Ok here is a friend of mines take on this. He thinks that since the people here have always used everything....old coffee cans for planters, old food
for the animals, old tires for planters...etc. They are not used to having something that will not go away. The idea that that plastic bag will
still be there in 1000 years is inconceivable.
One more food for thought...do any of you remember the good ole USA in the 50's ? Litter was a major problem.
It takes education and the Mexican Gov't is working on that. Thank goodness.. I have included a poster that was on a neighbor's house after the
school did a compaign on cleaning up the beach. There is hope.
One more take on this from one of my friends who is very spiritual. She says that she thinks the plastic bags should be our face so we realize how
much we waste. In the states you never see them because they are tucked away in some landfill, out of sight, out of mind. She also mentioned that
she and her husband went through their trip pix to remove all the ones with gabage in them and wound up with very few photos
Ok that is my garbage for the day
[Edited on 3-24-2006 by bajajudy]
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fdt
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They need to ad
to NO TIRE BASURA, YA TENEMOS MUCHA
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Barry A.
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--------and "Ya Tenemos Mucha" means???????
---------and Judy----how come the old ranchos in the back country are almost always litter free??? Is it education, or just hostility towards their
fellow man???? or whatever?????
I wish I knew.
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bajajudy
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It means right now we have a lot.
Where are you coming from with this hostility thing? Of course, it is education. Were we angry before we learned not to litter? No we were stupid.
The old ranchers probably found a use for every plastic bag they ever had. AND they were probably few and far between. Where would they have gotten
them?
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woody with a view
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what used to make me giggle now makes me grimace!
seems that, for whatever reason, the local dump is never "over" the first hill and outta sight, but "on" the nearest hill. 
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Bob H
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Ken, since you posted this photo in February 2003 I have noticed a much cleaner Baja. It seems like the locals are taking better care of their land
than just a few years ago.
Bob H
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Ken Bondy
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Bob H
That is really good to hear. It's been more then a year since I've been there. This basura thing was an ugly blemish on a beautiful land.
Barry A
The location is as you describe, just south (east) of El Rosario. The trash clearly could have been blown from the dump rather than just deposited
there. Like you say, a shame but more understandable.
++Ken++
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Cardon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob H
It seems like the locals are taking better care of their land than just a few years ago.
Bob H |
I think this is true too. A few years ago I had someone that lives down there explain the trash situation to me. He said that in 500 years people
will go to the gringo landfills and will be able to dig up all that trash cuz it will still be there. The trash that the Mexicans spread out all over
the desert will only last 2-20 years cuz the sun and wind and water will turn it all to dust. An interesting idea but with Baja's population
exploding I think landfills is the way to go.
What is bothering me more than the trash is the graffiti epidemic.
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Bob H
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cardon
| Quote: | | What is bothering me more than the trash is the graffiti epidemic. |
Graffiti is a worldwide epidemic these days. It's even worse all over Europe.
Bob H |
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Barry A.
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Judy------the "hostility thing" ---------
------is the only thing that I can come up with to explain littering. Why would someone litter unless they wanted to shock or offend other people?
That is what littering does-----it offends others.
It sure does not take "smarts" to be offended by trash blowing around, just like it does not take "smarts" to take a bath. It is kinda like, "duh",
at least to me. Are you telling me that we had to be "taught" not to litter???? I simply cannot buy that. It makes no sense to me. My family
considered littering a capitol crime, and we would have been grounded forever if we had ever done that, and none of us EVER did-----EVER!!!!
Am I missing something here??
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Diver
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When people throw trash from speeding car windows in the US, I don't think they are angry or hostile. I think they are careless, lazy and unthinking.
It doesn't bother THEM enough to walk to the trash can.
They don't do it for "effect" !!
I too am offended and angered by trashy messes wherever I find them.
I remember driving home from a Baja trip years ago and when I stopped at McD's for a break, I watched a young mexican girl throw trash from her car
onto the vacant lot adjacent to the parking area. It bothered me enough that I stuck my head out the window and said "No tire basura !" as I had just
learned from reading all the signs in Baja. She didn't pick up the trash but looked at me like I was a crazy man. Maybe she was right !?!?
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