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BajaBad
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Calling Baja Hurricane experts at there...
Have my own basic knowledge of hurricane season and Baja history, but is not very extensive - writing an article on Baja for an online zine and
researched this for a few hours and still not positive I have it right... could those more in the know read the below and tell me if it is 'off' or
correct - thanks a zillion!!!!
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Your chosen location in Baja will have its own hurricane history and storm vulnerabilities. Some areas are high-risk such as La Paz and Cabo San
Lucas, some areas are at moderate risk such as Loreto and some areas are rarely experience the landing of a tropical cyclone such as Ensenada and
Rosarito Beach in Baja California norte.
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gnukid
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This request reminds us of others a similar nature, which don't seem to be improving the reliability of the final product. While this comment may seem
harsh, a failure to point out the obvious danger in your approach and its result would be derelict.
Its unfortunate that you found yourself again in the position of writing about something which you have little or no knowledge of in an area which
could jeapardize many people's safety and therefore their lives.
While its understandable that you would be asked to write an article, wouldn't common sense demand that you recuse yourself and confirm that you have
little experience or knowledge to know if your words and minimal research is accurate.
Furthermore, posting on forums which are known for cynical and inaccurate replies doesn't increase your accuracy, in fact it could have the opposite
effect. Finally, isn't there some area which you do have expertise which you could write about instead and therefore end up with a positive result.
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
This request reminds us of others a similar nature, which don't seem to be improving the reliability of the final product. While this comment may seem
harsh, a failure to point out the obvious danger in your approach and its result would be derelict.
Its unfortunate that you found yourself again in the position of writing about something which you have little or no knowledge of in an area which
could jeapardize many people's safety and therefore their lives.
While its understandable that you would be asked to write an article, wouldn't common sense demand that you recuse yourself and confirm that you have
little experience or knowledge to know if your words and minimal research is accurate.
Furthermore, posting on forums which are known for cynical and inaccurate replies doesn't increase your accuracy, in fact it could have the opposite
effect. Finally, isn't there some area which you do have expertise which you could write about instead and therefore end up with a positive result.
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If you want to be a writer then you need to learn how to spell , and that's no joke.
Your title line is is a sentence that means nothing.
Go back to school.
Maybe live a little before trying to write about anything.
CaboRon
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BajaBad
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I'm sorry gnukid... but I think you truly need to chill and have a Tecate! The paragraph is part of a basic background piece on Baja - information
for those interested in possibly visiting, especially with the idea of checking it out for relocation.
What craziness is prompting you to claim that I am somehow 'endangering "many" people's safety and therefore their lives... much less anyones! My God
- I submitted it for someone elses review just to do a fact check because the article in very general in nature and wanted to make sure the basic info
I got from a bunch of source - that resulted in the brief paragraph submitted for review was not 'inaccurate'. Jeeeezzzzz.
If you are such an expert on Baja, and concerned about peoples safety being jeapordized, then why don't you use this opportunity to respond to the
post and explain how it is somehow going to cause someone harm?
And I am highly offended by your "us" comment -- besides its unnecessarily derogatory nature do you think you speak for all members of Baja Nomad?
Sorry, but I find your post highly offensive and utterly unstable in thought and reasoning... do you know anything about our world in general - how
writers work, how reporters research and write, etc.? I never in any way have said I was an expert in anything, that is your supposition and I wonder
why the post caused you so much distress in the first place. Many on the list offer advice and information for all kinds of reasons and requests and
are happy to do so.
Chill.
Sincerely, Molly aka BajaBad
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BajaBad
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More BajaNomad bashing... thanks Cabo Ron, maybe you should understand the concept of 'rough draft' and get a little less anal-retentive.
Cheers!
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stanburn
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It seems to me that most writers do research like Molly is doing when writing. Very few people know everything before they write. All you have to do
is read Nomad to verify that!
My dos centavos on your draft is that it is pretty accurate. I would add any property on the outside of Baja from Mag Bay south to the high risk
category. If you go the National Hurricane Center website they have maps showing hurricane paths for various years going back a number of years. You
might take a peek at that.
Good luck and don't let the curmudgeons get you down.
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBad
More BajaNomad bashing... thanks Cabo Ron, maybe you should understand the concept of 'rough draft' and get a little less anal-retentive.
Cheers! |
Hey, you are the one pretending to be a writer .... and you can't be bothered to check your spelling ? What a burro !
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gnukid
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BajaBad
If you were to read Professional Mariner, Latitude 38 and other journals which report on accidents and the thousands of boats lost at Sea or damaged
in storms due to poor research, misinformation, lack of experience you would also be very concerned and discourage YOU from writing about this
subject.
So, as you write without much background, imagine how many people are currently lost at sea in this region, how many of our friends have lost property
and lives in the recent months alone. If you did, you might be a bit more cautious about approaching this so lightly.
I know of few people who should approach this but they are out there, they are the ones with Certifications, a life time of experience at sea in the
region not someone with no experience and no ability to discern fact from fiction in this area of expertise.
You know I am no expert, but I do have 20,000 kilometers at sea in the region per year, a lifetime at sea forecasting weather and my brother is a
lifetime Captain and veteran with the Coast Guard, we review data daily and continue education to ensure we are paying attention.
In my role, it is incumbent that I discourage You from pursuing a project like this with your experience as this exercise is precisely the type which
misleads people into trouble by failing to note the dangers accurately.
Have a little heart and respect for the sea and those who need really good information with proper cautionary descriptions written to encourage a
safety mindset and good planning, across the region over the year.
Do what you will, but know that I think its potentially dangerous.
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woody with a view
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i'll bet my left nut a tropical cyclone/hurricane has never hit as far north as rosarito beach.......
edit: flipped a coin.
[Edited on 11-7-2008 by woody in ob]
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BajaBad
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Thanks very much stanburn! 
I re-read my original post after the nasty replies and don't see a reason for them - I did, as well, notice the 'typos' after posting but to me it is
not a big deal (I worry about being meticulous when I submit a final project, not when I am spending 10 hours researching and writing...) and I didn't
want to post a correction - that may have been annoying to others (extra posts are like extra emails!).
I did try to look at graphs, lists of Baja H. history and it was a huge mixed-bag, hard to put into a general paragraph, thought the above was
accurate but figured the more knowledgeable here would be able to verify si or no!
And p.s. -- The Baja Insider had the best info/article of all the things that pulled up on my web searches... they analyzed data extensively for
this article: http://www.bajainsider.com/weather/hurricanes/historic_hurri...
Thanks again,  BB
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The "hurricane experts" predicted a very active hurricane season for '08, they were wrong. They also predicted '06 and '07 as being very active
years. They were wrong. A good story would be "How do they keep their jobs?".
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woody with a view
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
The "hurricane experts" predicted a very active hurricane season for '08, they were wrong. They also predicted '06 and '07 as being very active
years. They were wrong. A good story would be "How do they keep their jobs?".
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supposedly ALL storm activity in the upper atmosphere (north and south) is expected to be on a steady decline over the next two decades. that means
less storms and the ones that occur will be less intense and won't last as long.
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BajaBad
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OK, gnukid... at least I understand somewhat where you are coming from... but you completely misunderstood the information, how it was compiled, what
I was requesting and what it is to be used for! I in no way said I was writing a piece for mariners to be used on their nautical journeys though
Baja, jeeeeeeeeeeeeez, again.
You do not need to be incumbent in your role, discourage me from anything, or - this is a biggie for me - claim that somehow you can say I am
" someone with no experience and no ability to discern fact from fiction in this area of expertise. "
and believe me... I could have said the above MUCH more nastily. I am very capable of researching an area or topic, analyzing sources for accuracy
and credibility and creating
The very fact that I posted to confirm the accuracy of that 'paragraph' about hurricanes out of a nine page 3500 word, general article I think
supports my credibility.
Thanks, BB
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Udo
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You are a little rough on Bajabad for her spelling. How many times have we as Nomads mis-spelled a word because of a typo.
I am sure that when the story goes to bed, a spell-checker will catch the typos.
Perhaps we can talk BAJANOMAD #1 (Doug) to put in a spell-checker along with all the icons.
By the way, Molly, your rough draft should start..."at the appropriate time of year..."
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BajaBad
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oops, correction
and believe me... I could have said the above MUCH more nastily. I am very capable of researching an area or topic, analyzing sources for accuracy and
credibility and creating
correction:
and believe me... I could have said the above MUCH more nastily. I am very capable of researching an area or topic, analyzing sources for accuracy and
credibility and creating copy for an informative piece on the subject.
BB
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BajaBad
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Nice suggestion udowinkler - gracias! Do you have time for a nine-page review? 
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gnukid
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Molly I didnt insult you or target you personally though you did in response to me? This is likely due to short-sightedness. I will forgive your reply
but once beg you you to reconsider.
Believe me its going to come back to bite you if you persist to write about storms on the sea of cortez and boating without completing a formal
educational course or equivalent.
Even though you could have easily done a search here on BN and seen excellent posts which answer your question to the best ability of the contributors
already, its not something tackled without caveats and sophistication of nuance, not a hard and fast sentence or two.
Keep in mind the number of boats lost at sea today in the very region you speak of and how many boats sank due to the nature of the storms that passed
over the last few months and poor cautionary data. Its quite sad, travel news sites are considered the primary culprit and a major problem in this
regard in failing to accurately highlight the concerns and process of choosing your training, timing and course properly.
Just go ahead and do a search, start here for example, and continue to read then maybe you will gain respect.
http://www.latitude38.com/letters/200811.html
http://professionalmariner.com/
p.s. I am famously known for 'shouting check yer lines' before jumping overboard, while I write to you from a continuing education USCG course,
perhaps now as I break and head over to Alice's Restaurant or Sullivans in the mountains I'll be singing 99 bottles of beer on the wall with bravado
and nonchalance calling Molly at midnight to ask her for starlight sail...
[Edited on 11-7-2008 by gnukid]
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Russ
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I would like to be helpful, as far as your short piece goes I'm ok with it. However, some of us that have been through a hurricane or close would
probably prefer you give a reference to a more extensive article or web site. Baja Insider may have something you could use. Good luck.
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BajaBad
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woody in ob I hope it wasn't your left or right... check out the listings here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Baja_California_Peninsu...
And I thought the same thing... BB
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Udo
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Hey, Woody, Russ, Gnukid, et-al:
Looks like Molly has done her research.
Udo
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