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fixtrauma
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Dog at Boarder Crossing
We are driving from Oregon to La Paz in January. This is the first time with our dog along. What experiences have you had at the boarder crossing
either direction regarding papers etc for the dog. I get conflicting information from Vets and from governmental web sites.
Thanks for sharing your experiences.
Don
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Woooosh
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Southbound nothing is needed. Northbound they need a valid rabies certificate from the USA to re-enter.
[Edited on 11-18-2008 by Woooosh]
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Hello Don,
I have never had problems crossing the border in either direction with my dog. Make sure your pooch has up to date shots, and get an international
health certificate from your vet. The international health certificate is most relevant for getting your dog back into the US, and will help if the
border agent questions you about where the dog came from. Last trip I got my certificate for $12, and I have never been asked to show it.
[Edited on 11-18-2008 by BajaGeoff]
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BS - this is what happened to a guy in Loreto:
I have landed in Loreto many times with my dog(s) and never had a problem except I always wind up feeling like a rat in a maze. This past Monday
after going through the whole 45 minute rite of passage a new civic functionary (something to do with the health department) shows up and demands to
see my vet health certificate. Well I had one for each dog dated October 20. The original had been torn off but the two copies were still attached.
The scam artist said he would not accept the copies - took my general declaration and the copies and huffed and puffed out the door. I went to the
Commondante and complained but to no avail. After 20 minutes he returned and said he would accept the copies but since they were dated October 20
they were out of date - they need to be dated within 5 days of arrival. Duh, what if you get delayed. Then he marches me off to his office and
attempts to make numerous telephone calls (like I'm going to jail) but no one seems to answer. Then he marches me to the the airplane and demands to
see the dog food - no dog food allowed (si una problema grande he said). Then he marches me back to the office and another unanswered phone call. I
told him I needed to leave in my good Spanish so tell me how much....$15 US to the pig. This is the last time I will land in Loreto - next time its
San Felipe.
several others have said that a permit from the vet that says the animal is OK healthwise is in fact required to bring your dog legally into mexico.
and the permit or form letter has to be like within a week of the crossing.
i think it just isn't as enforced when you are in a ground vehicle.
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Bob H
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Wow, Mike, that was terrible. We've been in Baja so many times with our dog and never, ever, have we had anyone ask us for a certificate. And, what
in the world are they thinking - within five days? What? That's WACK!
And, no dog food, WHAT? Double WACK!
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In over 100 crossings with either 1 or 2 yellow labs, we have never been asked for any paperwork or been questioned about our dogs.
If you go to secondary when returning to the US, let them know there is a dog in the car if it is not visible; ours ride in the back of the pick-up.
Their "sniff" dogs will often alert to your dogs.
2 years ago when I went through Tecate on my return trip, they brought out their dog who promtly sat down near my truck. As they asked me to drop my
cigar - the arrest was coming - I said, "do you want me to take my dogs out from the back of the truck ?" At which time they all relaxed and said,
"Oh, then we can't use our dog." 
[Edited on 11-18-2008 by Diver]
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fixtrauma
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I am very thankful for each of your responses and will continue to monitor for more postings..........Thanks
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we're from Canada and have never been asked for the papers for the dog....in either direction...many times....but of course we had it along just in
case
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Travel by air is very different- as you go through the more formal (and apparently more deceptive) customs inspections.
Even for travel within the USA by commerical air you need a CURRENT health certificate for your dog- I think dated within 24 hours of your flight
departure. I've never been asked for one driving across. The only thing I've been asked with my dogs at Mexico secondary is if they bite. I think
they confisacte the biters for their dogfights after shift. The concern of northbound US custom is more for puppy-mills who bring sick and dying dogs
over the USA (or sell them at the border). So long as your dog is not a young puppy, is friendly and looks happy, clean and card for- you're good.
The dog food thing is true, but I've never carried open dog food either way on my day trips driving across- just water.
[Edited on 11-18-2008 by Woooosh]
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Check your u2u
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bajaboolie
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Same as everyone else...no problems getting back into US. We had a certificate from her vet. We also printed out the rules from the government
website in case there was any confusion or they told us something different than is on the official website.
I would find the information on the govt website (whether flying or driving) for both entering US and Mexico (I didn't bother to look for rules
entering Mexico b/c we drove). Print out a copy of it, including the exact web address just in case you get someone who wants to cause trouble and
starts making up rules. Cover your bases.
On the plus side, entering the US, our dog was so quiet and it was dark...he didn't even know we had a dog with us.
Bajaboolie
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Health Certificate
Like many others I've been taking my dogs across the border for about Thirty years. Back in the 70s, I would get the International Health certificate
from the vet for my Two dogs.
NEVER asked for it. After many such trips, I was asked once if they had their rabies shots. Along with their shot records, I handed the Customs
official the certificates. Puzzled, he looked at them and said "What are these ?" When I explained, he said all that he wanted to see was a rabies
shot verification.
Yes, it is the law. No, I haven't seen or heard of it being enforced on land travel and I haven't gotten one in about 28 years now. In hundreds of
trips with Dogs ALWAYS with me, I've been asked for the Rabies papers perhaps a dozen times.
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Never was asked by either side.
Of course no Uniform could get close to our vehicle . I spent more time trying to hold our Roxy and explaining that yes she will "get you".
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No one wants to believe me --
Mike, I posted both on BBP and here that they will SCREW you one way or other at loreto. I don't go there anymore. Pass the word along at BBP and see
how quick you get torched !!
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$15 US to the pig. This is the last time I will land in Loreto - next time its San Felipe.
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i agree Bob - i have had my share of "stuff" at Loreto and generally avoid that place. but - ever once in a while i have to drop in for gas, the last
few times it has been ok. but you never know. I believe Landeros Sr. Mario is a good guy.
Now - lets talk about the new CBP rules those basturos passed.....have you read it? i am livid!!!!!!! effing bureaucrats!!!
Chartoff can pi** off!!!!!!!!!
still i'd rather fly than drive...
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Yep, just got it in from my Flying Sams coordinator
Typical gummint over kill and will cause more problems then it will ever cure !
For me , at least I have satellite internet and telephone, so It will just be more paperwork and crap to have to "submit".
To have to seek permission to even leave the country just because I am flying a private plane is beyond me.
http://www.dhs.gov/xnews/releases/pr_1226943980107.shtm
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We have traveled between Phx and San Felipe many times with our dog without any questions going either direction. In fact at the Military crossing I
think we get through faster, they dont seem to like peros.
I crossed at Los Algadones and the US border lady almost sharted when she opened the back door to see our dog.
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Now if you really want a challenge, try crossing back into the US with your pet parrot. First time landed us in secondary for four hours. And then
we were turned back. Now my parrot has a "pet passport" and it has to be stamped to get her into Mexico and back into the US, as well as all the
health certificate "stuff" for the USDA. Needless to say, my parrot stays with a sitter when we go South these days.
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Been asked the last two time at Nogales, AZ; a total of 3 times now, in the last 3 years.
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Capt. Mike,
Having to bribe an officer should be a thing of the past. Unfortunately, there are some of those who will abuse their position and force one into such
an embarrassing situation. -Been there, done that-
Anonymous reporting is encouraged by Mexican authorities and the phone number is 089 (I am 75% sure of that....sorry)
Also, there is the e-mail option:
enlinea@elsudcaliforniano.com.mx This is the most popular newspaper in BCS
contactodirecto@radioformula.com.mx Radio news and comments.
el_peninsular@prodigy.net.mx. another newspaper with great coverage in BCS.
The key is to get names and specifics. They do follow-up in most cases.
Aripes
God bless America
and Baja tambien
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