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[*] posted on 11-26-2008 at 06:56 AM
cualtecomate tree


On a recent mule trip to Rancho San Gregorio in the Sierra San Franciscos I saw a very unique tree in our camping area. The tree was ringed with evenly spaced holes which covered the entire trunk and, I think, every limb. We were baffled by the holes. I was told it was a cualtecomate tree. The holes were left by flowers that grew out of the trunk and the limbs of the tree. Our head vacquero, Chema, pointed out the flowers to me. Perhaps I was overwhelmed by all the amazing sights on the trip because I took only a couple of not so good photos of the tree and I failed to ask how the tree came to be there and did it have fruit and how old was it and etc. All the questions I want the answers to now that I am not there. I googled cualtecomate and was suggested to use cuastecomate which sent me to a resort near Barre de Navidad on Mexico's west coast. The resort was apparently named after a tree but I got no information on the tree. I figure for all things Baja that Nomad is better than google. Can anyone help me?

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[*] posted on 11-26-2008 at 07:00 AM
cualtecomate flower


Here, hopefully, is a close up of the flower on the tree. Getting some weird messages when I try to post the photo. Attempt number 3.

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[*] posted on 11-26-2008 at 07:21 AM


I can help a little. The tree grows in Baja sur mostly on ranches up in the canyons. I know of about 10. The reason they are so sparse is that the seed is like a bole and grows on the trunk. It is rare to find the tree in seed. The bole is the size of a softball, green, hard as steel on or off the tree. Might be that the tree is trying to protect the seed, protect it's territory like some plants which put out poison roots. The seeds and leaves are used to make a tea for stomach ailments -- when I asked several rancheros about the ailments they all said "golpe" suggesting medicine for stomach trauma. The tree also bears the name Arbol Calabasas for the likeness the bole has to a gourd shape. I'm hoping one day science will find an animal that once lived in Mexico that ate the bole, spread the seeds -- now that no animal can do that the trees are dieing out. There is a tree in Mauritius with a fruit the extinct Dodo bird ate and distributed that is now almost extinct.
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[*] posted on 11-26-2008 at 07:36 AM


Wow! Now I am more intrigued than ever. I might have to go back and take some better photos. That would be a great excuse for another trip. Thanks so much for the info, Osprey. So it is indeed a cualtecomate tree and not a cuastecomate tree?
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[*] posted on 11-26-2008 at 07:44 AM


That's the name: cualtecomate
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[*] posted on 11-26-2008 at 08:48 AM
Tree photo


Bob and Jane, here's a shot of the tree in seed. I think this one is at El Coro, a ranch near Buena Vista

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[*] posted on 11-27-2008 at 04:28 AM


There are thousands of these trees in the state of Sinaloa. They are called "Tecomate". The fruit as seen on the picture by Osprey, is hard and solid. They turn brownish and fall to the ground. Then they dry and sound a little like a maraca when you shake them. I saw them when I was a kid (many blue moons ago).
One thing I remember is that the locals at some point in the tecomate drying process, drill a hole on it and fill it with water, put a cork on it and forget about it under the bed for a year or so. It ferments and out comes a liquor.
There is a town near Mazatlan named "El Tecomate de la Noria" which is the town in my memories probably. There are several tows in Mexico named after (El) Tecomate.
Note: About drinking Tecomate, I'd rather stick to Tecate...




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[*] posted on 11-27-2008 at 08:03 AM


Thanks Osprey and Losaripes. I knew I could count on Nomads for the answer. I'm glad to hear they are thriving someplace. I wonder how hard it is to get a tree started from seed. I've got a dozen palo blancos in my yard that I started from collected seeds. I love a challenge. Hmmm, have to keep my eyes out..........................
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[*] posted on 11-27-2008 at 09:59 AM
The tree of God and the devil


One fine day as God was finishing his plans for the earth he was on the stage of nature and with great dedication he started to create the leaves of a tree, he was giving shape to the flowers and was looking at the best place to set them. He would move the leaves from one place to another and was looking for the best location for the fruit. He would look at the shape of the trunk and branches because he wanted them to be distributed in an adecuate form.

In the mean time, the devil, from a distance, would observe God doing his work.

This one doesn't waste time, he works a lot = thought the evil one. And to bother the creator, he decided to dare him.

- Hey there God, I'd like to make you a bet. I see that you're pretty slow and I'd like to dare you to see who can finish a tree first. You'll see I'm going to beat you.
-And what for? Answered God.
-Just to play, to make it more fun, sayed the devil.
Well I don't think you'll beat me but ok I accept, as long as you get to work.
The devil told God that he would make the Cirian tree, that would be the name he would give his tree.
God accepted but told the devil he would not name the tree until he thought about it real well and depending on the end result.
The time limit was 24 hours. God started, as always, carefuly designing his tree. From the seeds, the branches, leaves and all of its components. The devil, confident, stayed laying down, smoking, drinking and would laugh at the slow speed of his adversary. He would distract him and would pass the time comfortably as he watched God at work. He wanted to demonstrate to God that taking things more calmly he would beat him at creation.
When he least expected it, the devil had very little time left. Quickly, he started throwing some branches randomly. He left them just as they landed. They were somewha out of place and crooked but he didn't care. He took a bunch of flowers and in the same way just threw them, some fell almost at the roots and at the end he barely had time to throw the fruit at it.
When he was finished, the devil felt very happy to have finished before God but God reminded him that he had forgoten something, that his work was not valid because it wasn't finished. There were no leaves.
The devil sayed thet they were not necesary in his creation but God, beeing the perfectionist, corrected him and sayed that a tree without leaves was not posible so God took a fistfull of leaves and threw them at the tree. These fell on the tree in the form of a cross.

This is just one of several legends that I found surrounding the Cuatecomate or Cirian tree.
Another legens states that the leaves also work as a drowned body detector.
http://www.mexicoforestal.gob.mx/nuestros_arboles.php?id=70
Another legend goes that it was such a good shade tree that the devil would sit under it to rest so God made the leaves in the shape of a cross to scare him away.
http://redescolar.ilce.edu.mx:2000/redescolar/publicaciones/...

If you look for Cirian on ebay, you'll find several craft items.
And it is also a good wood for Boat building: framing, Charcoal, Fuelwood, Tool handles, Vehicle parts, Wheel spokes, Wheels.
http://www.thewoodexplorer.com/maindata/we348.html

And finaly, yes, you guessed it "It's medicinal".




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[*] posted on 11-27-2008 at 10:04 AM


Great legend, FDT---I really enjoy learning about local legends.

Thanks---also a great looking tree.

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[*] posted on 11-27-2008 at 10:07 AM


I can find more in exchange for toys :saint:

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[*] posted on 11-27-2008 at 02:41 PM


Thanks to all, very interesting. Hopefully, I'll see one one of these days.



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