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Rosarito police officer shot, killed in patrol pickup
For force, it's 8th slaying since Sept.
By Sandra Dibble
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
December 12, 2008
ROSARITO BEACH – A top-ranking police officer was shot to death early yesterday, becoming the eighth officer on the Rosarito Beach municipal force
killed since late September.
Jesús MarNa Elizalde Romero was on duty when gunmen sprayed his pickup about 1:30 a.m., the Baja California Attorney General's Office said. Elizalde,
who was in charge of department operations, was found inside his patrol pickup at the northern end of town along the toll road near the former Oasis
Hotel.
A law enforcement official who asked not to be named because he is not authorized to speak to the media said Elizalde was in the company of a woman
not connected to the department at the time of the attack. She was not injured.
Jorge Eduardo Montero, Rosarito's secretary of public safety, has ordered police to patrol in pairs for their safety, and it was unclear why there
were no other officer nearby.
Drug traffickers increasingly have targeted law enforcement officers in Mexico in recent months. Some are killed for refusing to cooperate, but others
because they work for a rival gang.
Elsewhere in Baja California yesterday, two decapitated bodies were found at 6:50 a.m. along the free road between Tecate and Mexicali. According to
the Attorney General's Office, they were wrapped in transparent tape, and their heads were in a nearby bucket.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
Drug traffickers increasingly have targeted law enforcement officers in Mexico in recent months. Some are killed for refusing to cooperate, but others
because they work for a rival gang. |
Interesting that although the crimes are completely unsolved, no arrests no witnesses, there is in the print the conclusion about who perpetrated the
killing while no evidence exists to back this up? The fact is, the jump to conclusion is part of this whole operation. Murder-no arrest-conclusion it
was traffickers.
I don't like this poor journalism. I think at this point I can conclude in agreement with so many previous posters that Sandy Dibble is a shill.
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anybody really think she would come down and dig around for a story??? i don't think i would...it's hard enough to just drive thru tj or rosey-rita on
the way to somewhere else.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Sandy Dibble is a shill. |
She is an employee following guidelines set by the publisher. That said, her input is better than none at all which is what too many would like to
see.
Anyway, it's just another edition of the same old story...scum eliminating scum. The cartels are doing the job the authorities wont do. I, for
one, appreciate that.
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I would agree completely as it seems newspaper journalists are forever, increasingly working with less resources to file more stories at the direction
of a consolidating group of a publishers. At the same time, growing numbers of readers are dropping subscriptions of paper based news and pursuing an
increasing number of alternatives. This means more work and less time to research for Ms Sandy Dibble and more work for alternative news writers.
Back to the particular subject; there is no evidence I have seen that underground drug cartels are behind this or many of the killings. There is
evidence that the killers and in some cases victims were wearing police uniforms, that some were police, that the vehicles involved are official
vehicles and that these are not investigated or pursued.
Furthermore, knowing the geography of Baja, the narrow peninsula, the lack of infrastructure requiring in most every case that vehicle travel the
transpeninsular highway or backroads both of which are within a tight geography lacking cover of any sort, means that the vehicles which transport
shooters are easily identifiable and located. A single plane or helicopter could easily locate the vehicle much as they do in California or anywhere,
usually within minutes and with little chance for escape.
So, we can easily conclude, that the perps are not underground lawless drug traffickers.
We can conclude that the shooters in many cases are in official vehicles, in uniforms, trained, coordinated, cooperating, have ease in transit, are
not pursued, and in so many words they are acting in an official capacity at the charge and under direction of top down orders to target and kill
specific people and to terrorize as specified.
Now, finally. Whose to say this is a bad thing, little ol me? What do I know. We have a long list of current and retired military intelligence, police
and investigators who shout down any suggestion on this board of any conclusion other than, fear cartels, fear cartels, fear cartels.
I appreciate those view points, I only offer, non-conclusively another logical point of view, based on the most basic observations about motive,
means, who benefits...
I don't know whether to jump up and down and be happy to know we are not targeted by cartels or be even more in fear to know that the shooters are
sanctioned, which somehow makes much more logical sense.
Barry, you can jump on the chorus bandwagon now. Thx in advance for your pro-police views.
[Edited on 12-13-2008 by gnukid]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Back to the particular subject; there is no evidence I have seen that underground drug cartels are behind this or many of the killings. There is
evidence that the killers and victims were wearing police uniforms, that some were police, that the vehicles involved are official vehicles and that
these are not investigated or pursued.
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OK....The above-ground arm of organized crime likes to wear a uniform. It's a shelf full of the same book in different covers. I appreciate your
views, Gnu but, the elements don't lend themselves to clear distinction. Never have and the more important question today is, "Will they in the
future." The processes of elimination within the ranks of law enforcement holds the key to the future of Mexico.
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Dennis
You know I am well versed inside and out of these systems. I know personally a nice old lady who sells uniforms, black, green, grey, masks, all the
accoutrements. In fact I am very familiar with this industry in Mexico. Most of the customers are in fact officials and few are not, I only know
because I see the traffic of clients first hand.
Contrary to your comments, we do know that many victims are acting police some good and some bad. We also know from the autopsies of those released
that many are identified as official police and military. Those that survived, some have publicly identified themselves as police and military as you
may well recall.
Some do not identify themselves as official or otherwise for example the shooting of the jogger in Rosarito, he was apparently a Papas and Beer
staff... While the second vicitm was an official on duty though with a woman who was not official and not killed.
So, Dennis, Barry, et al, we do have some evidence that many of you and Sandy Dibble would prefer to ignore. Who cares? Why do I care? Do I care?
I care only to the extent that I am interested in the facts and how the reports do not jive with the facts, I am also keenly interested in how
invested some of you are in propping up the false conclusions? Makes me wonder, if all of this is at is appears, that is that these are by the vast
majority official sanctioned murders, why are so many of us in support of the Big Lie.
I would guess that is due to programming and because you are good people who believe others people are good. Most of us here would like to have faith
in police and military and in the news publications. Unfortunately there is far too much evidence to the contrary. Just as we can conclude in our
minds that bad guys exist outdside of officialdom they certainly do within officialdom in Mexico and the USA. More so, power absolutely corrupts,
power corrupts absolutely.
So, it seems that we can not as citizenry allow for a highly empowered government. We must maintain strict controls and provide for facilities for our
servants to be closely surveiled at all times, we must closely manage our "peace officers" and "managers.'
As we look at the facts of our local state and federal managers--they are now running amuck, completely out of control and corrupt and this must end.
The means to the end is citizen empowerment and control by managing our local cities. It is time to get involved wherever you live or we have lost our
cities, states and country to corruption throughout.
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Duck and cover
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Interesting that although the crimes are completely unsolved, no arrests no witnesses, there is in the print the conclusion about who perpetrated the
killing while no evidence exists to back this up? The fact is, the jump to conclusion is part of this whole operation. Murder-no arrest-conclusion it
was traffickers.
I don't like this poor journalism. I think at this point I can conclude in agreement with so many previous posters that Sandy Dibble is a shill.
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Well, this is what I find interesting:
"Elizalde was in the company of a woman not connected to the department at the time of the attack. She was not injured."
Should we speculate on how it was that this woman survived or should we ask Sandy? 
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The guy who brings us firewood to the house just left and told me that the cop who was killed was his neighbor and friend. Told me that he was an all
round "good guy", lived a very simple, humble lifestyle fitting the salary of a Rosarito cop and seemed genuinely interested in the kids of his
neighborhood knowing the dangers of drugs and keeping out of trouble. His description of the guy doesn't seem to fit a cop on the take.
If true it is a very sad event indeed...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
I know personally a nice old lady who sells uniforms, black, green, grey, masks, all the accoutrements.
Contrary to your comments, we do know that many victims are acting police some good and some bad.
Some do not identify themselves as official or otherwise for example the shooting of the jogger in Rosarito, he was apparently a Papas and Beer
staff...
So, Dennis, Barry, et al, we do have some evidence that many of you and Sandy Dibble would prefer to ignore.
I care only to the extent that I am interested in the facts and how the reports do not jive with the facts, I am also keenly interested in how
invested some of you are in propping up the false conclusions? i
in support of the Big Lie.
I would guess that is due to programming and because you are good people who believe others people are good. Most of us here would like to have faith
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Wow...Where did I go wrong? What did I say that only you are aware of?
I agree with you on probably all your points and have never praised good police. It's their job and responsibility to be good and shouldn't require
adulation for doing what they volunteered for and get paid to do. My scope of interest has always been cynical at best when talking of law
enforcement.
Somebody here who probably knows mentioned the blown-away jogger was a bad guy. Stands to reason. Rosarito is a snake pit but it's not a penny
arcade where thugs are target practicing at runners.
Uniforms for sale? That's nice. I'm glad to see that a little old lady can maintain a cottage industry in the face of internet shoppers. It's all
available online.
What false conclusions? What Big Lie? Who here has been more outspoken in disgust of official corruption than I? I think it's at least one of the
reasons I've been rewarded with a "Time Out." I don't ignore anything 'cause I don't have to as Ms. Dibble evidently does. I only give thanks that
we have an opinion, albeit censored, form outside the country. What's your choice? Sandra Dibble or Hugo Torres/Baja Times?
OK..Gnu. Buy a box of Pacifico, open all of them and suck'em up. Send me the bill.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
The guy who brings us firewood to the house just left and told me that the cop who was killed was his neighbor and friend. Told me that he was an all
round "good guy", lived a very simple, humble lifestyle fitting the salary of a Rosarito cop and seemed genuinely interested in the kids of his
neighborhood knowing the dangers of drugs and keeping out of trouble. His description of the guy doesn't seem to fit a cop on the take.
If true it is a very sad event indeed... |
He probably wasn't on the take, Ron. That's why he was blown up. Probably knew too much and wouldn't cooperate. I don't know how these two factions
within police departments, the good and the bad, can co-habitate. That was my reference above to the war within law enforcement being the key to
the future.
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Sorry Dennis-you're right.
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Make that two boxes.
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I have been told that the good/bad cops don't "cohabitate". The version that was explained to me is that they run in two different groups and
generally in fear of each other. One side afraid they will be turned in and the other side fearing they will end up like this cop, left dead on the
side of the road if they do turn someone in.
I can't even imagine what it must be like or what fortitude the good cops must have to be able to keep going to work every day. The stress alone would
probably do me in.
As things continue to go bad here our decision to build and move south seems smarter every day.
I'll make some fish tacos if I can have one of those Pacificos...
[Edited on 12-13-2008 by BajaGringo]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
I have been told that the good/bad cops don't "cohabitate". The version that was explained to me is that they run in two different groups and
generally in fear of each other. One side afraid they will be turned in and the other side fearing they will end up like this cop, left dead on the
side of the road if they do turn someone in.
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So, since it's as you say,Ron, the police department isn't in the fight against organized crime. Half [or whatever] won't and the other half
can't.
We're all screwed.
Pacificos all around while we're still able.
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It's difficult to punch yourself in the face
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the police department isn't in the fight against organized crime. |
They are organized crime.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
They are organized crime. |
I know what you mean, Dave. I like to believe that all are not. Maybe gnukid was right.
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You are so right Dennis. I am getting my bottle opener...
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About what?
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Maybe gnukid was right. |
Mostly, I have no idea what he's saying. My brain tells me it's all gibberish. Maybe you could translate for me.
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You are so right Dennis. I am getting my bottle opener... |
Uh...You guys wouldn't mind if I drank Modelo?
I am cursed with a refined palate.
[Edited on 12-13-2008 by Dave]
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