LancairDriver
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IS THIS THE FUTURE FOR TRAVEL TO BAJA?
Just a little information for Nomads to inform them of new mandatory regulations for aircraft flying to Baja, compliments of Homeland Security. The
ruling is USCBP-2007-0064, and has been open to comments by the public for over a year now. Many initially thought it couldn't happen but here it is
and becomes mandatory May 18, 2009.This has been the hot topic with the Baja Bush Pilots for some time, and most are now struggling to comply with the
new system if they want to continue to visit Baja by aircraft. Without going into all of the details,(there are many) the system is basically this:
Register your aircraft, pilot, crew, and passengers and receive an activation code or number to get you in the system for future trips.
Before going to Mexico, Canada, or out of the US, electronically submit when, where, and who will be leaving. You then wait for approval (via
e-mail)of you and the screening of all of your passengers,( probably to determine if they or their name may be on the "no fly" list) to leave within
your requested time frame. If your plans change you must notify USCBP and cancel. (Appropriate fines and penalties apply for failure to do this) If
the delay is too long you must start the process all over again.
Returning to the US requires the same process, and any changes in travel plans or passengers must be submitted and approved in advance. You must have
access to the internet to accomplish this. Again, without going into detail, the "old" system of notifying customs of your arrival and passengers by
phone or radio before checking into a US port of entry worked very well.
This is only a general description of the process, and doesn't begin to cover all of the details, so please if you are familiar with the ruling don't
nit pick it to death. Since many flyers thought this was an unworkable system and would never happen, could it be in the future for those traveling by
land? Something to think about.
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David K
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Thank you for sharing something this important to those of us non-pilots who don't get to read Baja Bush Pilots anymore!
Should anyone need to catch a ride back to the U.S. on a private plane for an emergency back home... I can see where this would be a problem.
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capt. mike
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it has everyone pretty uspet. you actually have to obtain advance permission TO LEAVE THE USA BY your own PLANE!!!
TOTALLY UNFAIR and useless gov't bureaucracy. you can drive or walk across the border all day long without permission. Little planes are NOT the
threat people.
Gummint is running out of control.....there go our freedoms. one by one all in the guise of national security. Remember the N-zis 'cause they are
coming back people.
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
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Since this is Homeland stuff it must mean they are trying to interdict the transportation of terrorists, germ, suitcase bombs, etc. I wonder if they
have asked DEA for any stats on the efficacy of their efforts to do the same in the interdiction of drugs by light plane. I would ask them how well
the're doing in finding private planes hauling drugs, then taking the drugs, arresting everybody. I don't see how all this filling and reporting will
change what the bad guys do now.
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capt. mike
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right on Osprey. you got it right.
it's a big way to justify more guvmint jobs and interference with our freedoms IMHO.
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LancairDriver
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| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
right on Osprey. you got it right.
it's a big way to justify more guvmint jobs and interference with our freedoms IMHO. |
This is going to be more far reaching than just small airplanes. Look for similar restrictions on land travel in and out of the US to follow soon.
Anytime a huge government bureaucracy like Homeland Security is established, there will be no end to new infringement on our traditional freedoms in
the name of keeping us safe.
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capt. mike
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has me totally bummed out Geo.....
as this continues and with the down economy...plus drug warz...my baja days and flying are in serious jeopardy i'm afraid!
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
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Bajajack
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Might as well
get use to it, hell in another year we'll probably all have to have an exit visa just to leave the country.
\"take what you can, give nothing back!\"
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the
American people.\'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
We can have no \"50-50\" allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.
Theodore Roosevelt
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Phil S
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I know this has been "in the works" for some time. And it is a "Change in Policy" What disturbs me is the "change" word. A lot of people voted for
a "change". Whether it will be good or not remains to be seen. Bigger government usually means more "rules & restrictions". Wonder how many
Nomads have gone out and purchased a pistol & or rifle since the elections.?? I already have mine, but my wife is thinking she needs to get one
before another "change" takes effect & owning pistols & rifles will be illegal?????? And it's coming folks. Mark my words. We've got a
democratic president & congress, start watching our freedoms start to disappear??????? Which will start happening, because You all who voted for
"a change". will be getting it
[Edited on 1-1-2009 by Phil S]
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Bajahowodd
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I think you have it backward. Sure, since forever, thr right side of the aisle has accused the Dems of big government. However, and whether you agree
or disagree, much of the "big government" has been involved with social issues, safety issues and health issues.
Don't let yourself be blinded to the fact that the current administration has deprived Americans of more freedoms than any in our history. And mostly
based on lies. Keep the public in a state of fear and they won't even whimper when they get wire tapped.
The "change guy" you refer to has already gone on record as seeking to restore many of those freedoms. And by the way, he went on record supporting
the second amendment
I just can't wait to be able to board a plane wearing my shoes.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
it has everyone pretty uspet. you actually have to obtain advance permission TO LEAVE THE USA BY your own PLANE!!!
TOTALLY UNFAIR and useless gov't bureaucracy. you can drive or walk across the border all day long without permission. Little planes are NOT the
threat people.
Gummint is running out of control.....there go our freedoms. one by one all in the guise of national security. Remember the N-zis 'cause they are
coming back people. |
On what authority can you state that "little planes are NOT the threat" or not a threat?
Doesn't sound like you need "permission" to leave and enter, sounds like you just need to notify to enter and leave. In some ways this makes sense to
me...
FYI, the "N-zis" you refer to just got voted out of office.
Change is in the wind!
Yes we can!
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mtgoat666
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from the original rule making public notice,... sounds reasonable to me:
“This rule is designed to further protect the nation by improving our ability to identify threats on flights to and from the United States,” said
Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff. “We have a similar rule in place that allows us to assess the risk of commercial aircraft passengers on
these flights and we are now taking steps to expand that capability to include passengers on international flights by private aircraft.”
The NPRM, Advanced Information on Private Aircraft Arriving and Departing the United States, expands existing regulations that will require pilots of
private aircraft to provide electronic manifest data for all persons traveling onboard to the United States Government one hour prior to departure to
and from the United States by filing manifest data via CBP’s eAPIS system or an approved alternate system.
The NPRM would require operators of private aircraft to provide the following information no less than 60 minutes prior to departure from or to a
foreign port or place: advance notice of arrival, complete passenger and crew manifest data and aircraft information to foster aircraft
identification, tracking and communication.
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Bajahowodd
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I only hope that the Bush era paranoia that was instilled for their financial and governance benefit does not turn out to be permanent.
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LancairDriver
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
from the original rule making public notice,... sounds reasonable to me:
“This rule is designed to further protect the nation by improving our ability to identify threats on flights to and from the United States,” said
Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff. “We have a similar rule in place that allows us to assess the risk of commercial aircraft passengers on
these flights and we are now taking steps to expand that capability to include passengers on international flights by private aircraft.”
The NPRM, Advanced Information on Private Aircraft Arriving and Departing the United States, expands existing regulations that will require pilots of
private aircraft to provide electronic manifest data for all persons traveling onboard to the United States Government one hour prior to departure to
and from the United States by filing manifest data via CBP’s eAPIS system or an approved alternate system.
The NPRM would require operators of private aircraft to provide the following information no less than 60 minutes prior to departure from or to a
foreign port or place: advance notice of arrival, complete passenger and crew manifest data and aircraft information to foster aircraft
identification, tracking and communication. |
The bigger question is, how "reasonable" do you think it will be when you have to comply with the same restrictions driving back and forth to Baja in
your car? It's coming.
Also, notifying USCBP is only part of the process. It must be followed by their approval. Remember all of the individuals who found their names on the
"no fly" list and discovered it was impossible to get off? Throw in the inevitable computer outages and glitches when you are in a hurry to travel and
then think about how reasonable this ruling is. And yes, this all happened under a Republican Administration.
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Bajahowodd
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Not in a million years. Canucks are white English speaking people and they are still part of the British Empire. It is just way easier to go after the
brown skinned folks. Tasyone- maybe you don't read much. This year, the World Health Organization issued a report that stated that the United States
consumes more marijuana and cocaine per capita than any other country on the planet. This is against a backdrop of having some of the harshest
penalties for possesion and sale. The U.S. has spent tens of billions of dollars on a so-called war on drugs (catchy title). The result has been no
significant decrease in demand. No significant decrease in supply. And prices that are pretty stable. There is unimaginable profit to made in
trafficking in drugs. And, most major American cities are home to members of these same traffickers. They are among us.
Yes. I blame the government, as well as the citizens of the U.S. for the problem. We don't learn from history. Check out Prohibition. There were
gangsters everywhere, making, distributing and selling illegal booze.
And one more thing. I don't do drugs.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by LancairDriver
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
from the original rule making public notice,... sounds reasonable to me:
“This rule is designed to further protect the nation by improving our ability to identify threats on flights to and from the United States,” said
Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff. “We have a similar rule in place that allows us to assess the risk of commercial aircraft passengers on
these flights and we are now taking steps to expand that capability to include passengers on international flights by private aircraft.”
The NPRM, Advanced Information on Private Aircraft Arriving and Departing the United States, expands existing regulations that will require pilots of
private aircraft to provide electronic manifest data for all persons traveling onboard to the United States Government one hour prior to departure to
and from the United States by filing manifest data via CBP’s eAPIS system or an approved alternate system.
The NPRM would require operators of private aircraft to provide the following information no less than 60 minutes prior to departure from or to a
foreign port or place: advance notice of arrival, complete passenger and crew manifest data and aircraft information to foster aircraft
identification, tracking and communication. |
The bigger question is, how "reasonable" do you think it will be when you have to comply with the same restrictions driving back and forth to Baja in
your car? It's coming.
Also, notifying USCBP is only part of the process. It must be followed by their approval. Remember all of the individuals who found their names on the
"no fly" list and discovered it was impossible to get off? Throw in the inevitable computer outages and glitches when you are in a hurry to travel and
then think about how reasonable this ruling is. And yes, this all happened under a Republican Administration. |
you are confused, old man. we monitor planes prior to entry because they are mobile missiles that can cross border before inspection. no need to
monitor cars before entry at border as they can't enter without inspection.
regarding being in a hurry, then you better learn how to plan ahead,... 
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airmech
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This is basically for capt mike and lancairdriver. I was told when I signed up for EPIS that I would get a log in and password with in 48hrs and it
took them 2 weeks. I can't wait to see how long it takes them to "approve" me to leave the country when I file the first time. If either of you two
use the EPIS system before I do please u2u me how long it took so I know how many days, weeks, or months to "plan ahead"
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to the society. The optimist invents the aeroplane, the pessimist the parachute.
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