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Border Patrol to close California plaza for new fence
This is a crying shame, IMO. From the Associated Press:
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A chain-link fence already divides Friendship Park, which separates Imperial Beach from Tijuana, Mexico. But the Border Patrol told local authorities
at a Tuesday meeting that the plaza in Border Field State Park would be closed to the public for the construction of a larger fence structure, said
Clay Phillips, superintendent of Border Field.
"Their No. 1 mission is to secure the border, and that's the basis on which they're closing this portion permanently," said Phillips.
Friendship Park, which was dedicated by first lady Patricia Nixon in the 1970s as a symbol of binational goodwill, is a federal enclave accessible to
pedestrians and motorists only by going through the 800-acre Border Field park. It is paved with cement on both sides of the fence, overlooks the
Pacific Ocean and has an obelisk that was planted shortly after the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo ended the Mexican-American War in 1848.
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Read the whole story here: http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/border/275153
Here are some pictures I took a couple of years ago of Friendship Park and the Plaza. Tijuana, of course, is on the other side of that ugly fence.
First, here is the Plaza, with the small obelisk mentioned in the article in front of the fence and the lighthouse structure on the Tijuana side.
Another view of the Plaza and the picnic area of the park.
The border fence extends across the beach and into the ocean
And finally, a view of Imperial Beach from Friendship Park. That's a Border Patrol vehicle parked in the parking lot in the middle distance. Keeping
an eye on things. This was in Spring, when the wildflowers were blooming. Very beautiful!
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The double fence is to halt the flow of illegal guns flowing south per Mexico's request. It should be triple and electrified if that is the true
purpose.
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Oops. I didn't notice this subject was already addressed earlier here. Better have another cup of coffee and put on my reading glasses. Sorry.
But the pictures are nice... 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
The double fence is to halt the flow of illegal guns flowing south per Mexico's request. It should be triple and electrified if that is the true
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homelaND SECURITY's primary mission is to dehumanize the us-mex border. the org is run by heartless bureaucrats supported by an army of marooons.
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Huh?
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The double fence is to halt the flow of illegal guns flowing south per Mexico's request. It should be triple and electrified if that is the true
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We're building a fence to protect Mexico from itself?
Idontheenkso
I guess the thousands of cars rolling south don't count.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
The double fence is to halt the flow of illegal guns flowing south per Mexico's request. It should be triple and electrified if that is the true
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homelaND SECURITY's primary mission is to dehumanize the us-mex border. the org is run by heartless bureaucrats supported by an army of marooons.
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Apparently those marooons are mexican. They want the USA to stop the flow of guns south while allowing the flow of illegal immigrants north at the
same time. Huh?? Mexico just DEMANDED the USA act to stop the gun flow- so why complain? They asked for more border security and they are getting
it.
There are plenty of humane places to cross the border- they are called Points Of Entry. Any place else you cross the border is illegal and inhumane
by defintion.
What is inhumane is the idiotic process the USA makes Mexican go through get a legal visa to cross that border, not the border itself.
My own Mexican mother in law is still in tears because at her visa interview should could not prove she was no longer married to her dead husband.
THAT is inhumane.
[Edited on 1-17-2009 by Woooosh]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
The double fence is to halt the flow of illegal guns flowing south per Mexico's request. It should be triple and electrified if that is the true
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We're building a fence to protect Mexico from itself?
Idontheenkso
I guess the thousands of cars rolling south don't count.
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You are correct! Mexico is stuck on stupid is the only answer. They want the fence- but don't even inspect all southbound cars.
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The most insane thing about the visa process is that the fee is non-refundable. So they take your money and then say no.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
The most insane thing about the visa process is that the fee is non-refundable. So they take your money and then say no. |
Actual cost (so far) to do get a US Visa to visit her grand children in the USA has been $1500 (so far) and two years time. We expect to pay another
$400US for her to get the proper shots for a medical clearance (and this old lady can barely walk at her age) and another $200 for someone near the US
consulate to fill out the final paperwork so we don't need to go back to Juarez. And this is just to visit, mind you- not to move to the USA.
All told will it will be about $2500 total and if they say no- you are correct- it's all gone. I'm 100% for legal immigration, and 100% against
illegal immigration. I won't help anyone in my own family with coyote fees (although I understnad why they do it). We do offer safe shelter at our
home to family and friends waiting for that coyote phone call tellingt hem when and where to meet to cross- and that is as far as I will go.
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The cost of paper work on both sides of the Border and Time frames to do it are nuts for both USA and Mexico. I paid just as much to get Mexican
Paperwork completed on wife's cousin for Mexican Citizenship paperwork completion. Both sides costs make it tough for anyone trying to do the right
thing with those kind of dollars. We need to make it like the "Sentri" where you do most of the work online and then once reviewed bring in all your
paperwork to prove it and then get your ID card mailed to you. If we can do this so easily in one fashion should also be able to do it in this Visa
issues and citizenship issues from both sides, just my thoughts on it. Later, bajafun777
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajafun777
The cost of paper work on both sides of the Border and Time frames to do it are nuts for both USA and Mexico. I paid just as much to get Mexican
Paperwork completed on wife's cousin for Mexican Citizenship paperwork completion. Both sides costs make it tough for anyone trying to do the right
thing with those kind of dollars. We need to make it like the "Sentri" where you do most of the work online and then once reviewed bring in all your
paperwork to prove it and then get your ID card mailed to you. If we can do this so easily in one fashion should also be able to do it in this Visa
issues and citizenship issues from both sides, just my thoughts on it. Later, bajafun777 |
Your suggestion is way too smart, fair, efficient and practical to ever happen.
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Thanks for the info and photos tigerdog. In my innocent years I dug Plio-Pleistocene fossils from this area. The fence was a few strands of rusty
barbed wire on knocked over steel fence posts.. Sure there were footprints across the plowed fields to the north and helicopter and Immigration
roundups. But there was not the instant hate flaming, abuse and inhumanity I read these days whenever the term immigrants is mentioned. At least
half of my great grandfathers were illegal (white European) immigrants. So another tribute to tolerance is sacrificed for popular paranoia. What are
we choosing to become, people. OOps, Wat are YOU choosing to become? I don't stand with the hate flamers.
Nice quote from Abbey too! We stand for what we stand on!
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The US political history was one built on compromise and consensus. Today it has become a nation more and more divided on issues; legalization of
drugs, abortion, immigration. Pick whichever one inspires you the most...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skip_Mac
So another tribute to tolerance is sacrificed for popular paranoia. |
Nicely put. 
Tigerdog, thanks for sharing the really nice pictures of our backyard. New fence will be even uglier.
Diane
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You can see it from your place Diane?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
You can see it from your place Diane? |
Not exactly. We have to walk 1/2 block to the beach and then south on the beach. When we walk that way, we usually stop at the river.
From one of our buildings here in IB, we can see the Tijuana Bull Ring on a clear day.
BTW, for anyone not familar with IB, we have the Tijuana Estuary which is a really interesting place---lots of birds etc., including lots of skunks
that like to wander through town now and again. And at one time there were plans todredge it and make it into a boat harbor----glad they didn''t.
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I drove out there last year and checked it out. Was stopped by border patrol agents several times. I guess my SUV with Baja plates made them
nervous...
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Maybe they thought you got lost looking for the film set of HBO "weeds"
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One of the guys that stopped me seemed truly perplexed as he was convinced that I was involved in something sinister. Told me that there was something
"not right" about a US citizen driving a Baja plated vehicle, especially down there in that area of the border. I showed him my tarjeta de circulacion
and Baja driver's license and that only seemed to get him more upset. After 10 minutes and another agent finally showed up to tell him it was ok. The
guy still didn't want to believe it and it took a confirmation via radio from a superior to convince him to let me go. It did still bother him and I
was instructed to "leave the area". I told him that this area was listed as a park on the road signs and map and asked why was I being asked to leave?
He just told me that he was not going to ask me again and so I left.
Typical...
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Duh. They had you pegged as a coyote. No? Hmmm. You do drive up and down Highway One alot. From your earlier post- Illegal drugs, abortion,
immigration. Mayhaps you could have included gay marriage. None matter except as diversionary tactics, while those in power steal the public blind.
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