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Marla Daily
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Turtle Tacos
A philosophical question— the answer based on personal boundaries (and prompted by the eating burro thread):
Would you, a guest or foreign resident in Mexico, join in on a local fisherman's turtle feast at a fish camp? Why or why not?
It is estimated as many as 35,000 green, loggerhead, leatherback and olive ridley turtles are consumed in the region every year; eating sea turtle has
been against the law in Mexico since 1990.
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Bajaboy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Marla Daily
A philosophical question— the answer based on personal boundaries (and prompted by the eating burro thread):
Would you, a guest or foreign resident in Mexico, join in on a local fisherman's turtle feast at a fish camp? Why or why not?
It is estimated as many as 35,000 green, loggerhead, leatherback and olive ridley turtles are consumed in the region every year; eating sea turtle has
been against the law in Mexico since 1990. |
Please don't open this can of worms. Speeding and smoking pot are against the law in the US and I'm sure plenty are guilty here. If you're trying to
make a point, just do so. This has been played out a few times before.
zac
ps. And yes I've joined in before.
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ELINVESTIG8R
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FOR THOSE WHO CAPTURE TORTURE AND KILL TURTLES!
[Edited on 1-24-2009 by ELINVESTI8]
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in '85 we were just discovering the finer points and beach breaks of oaxaca. in a small town i found a market selling turtle lotion. i thought it
would be cool, if not novel, since NO ONE i knew had been this far south, and i'm sure never heard of turtle lotion before. long/short i bought the
biggest bottle they had and it was just like every other skin lotion i've ever used.
as for inhaling? depends on what your definition of "is" is!!!
speeding? like a tweeker!!!
edit:the finer things....
[Edited on 1-24-2009 by woody in ob]
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http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=31989&pag...
nena
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.....Oscar Wilde
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Marla Daily
A philosophical question— the answer based on personal boundaries (and prompted by the eating burro thread):
Would you, a guest or foreign resident in Mexico, join in on a local fisherman's turtle feast at a fish camp? Why or why not?
It is estimated as many as 35,000 green, loggerhead, leatherback and olive ridley turtles are consumed in the region every year; eating sea turtle has
been against the law in Mexico since 1990. |
Bruce Berger in his book "Almost an Island" (one of my favorite Baja books) has a chapter entitled "Earth Day with the Governor" which among other
things describes being served turtle soup while dining with a small group including the governor of BCS on Earth Day. A good read!
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Russ
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ELINVESTI8 I saw that coming!!!!
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Paula
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We've been invited for turtle by a rather prominent neighbor. As luck would have it we were busy, and couldn't partake
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DENNIS
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In the sixties, San Felipe, We stayed in a campground on the water. There were fishermen in the area and they had picked up a big-ass turtle which
they brought back to camp and had it propped up in a galvanized tub, upsidedown and head back at 45 degrees, very much alive.
They thought it fun to try to pour beer into the distressed animals nostrils, making loud points that the water-tightening plug would come forthe in
the nostril to block the drowning entrance of fluid.
It sickened me. It was cruel torture. After all these years, I hurt for that animal and hate the humanity that was responsible for its painful
demise, all for food.
Am I missing something here? Is there justification for this?
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DENNIS
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Yes, Frank? The sordid desire for entertainment was just cause to torture a noble, captive animal?
Local custom trumps the existance of animal rights and decency?
You, of all people, know better.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
I did not see anything in that post about torture, did you?
Where is your outrage at Mexicans that let their cattle die of thirst, or don't do decent prenatal care, or let their dogs wander onto the highway?
It ain't my fookin' country, brother.
So, I am on a local's beach and they offer me food..... I'm gonna say no?
Right.
Saludos
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Yes...you should. I have outrage for all of this, Frank, my country or not. If I were on a beach, or anywhere, I would refuse to eat the flesh of
anything I saw tortured. That includes fish. Catch 'em and kill 'em but, don't torture'em.
My reference is to my post which preceded yours.
[Edited on 1-24-2009 by DENNIS]
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DENNIS
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Thanks.
The torture reference was mine although on line with the turtle reference. I've just never had the oportunity to be publicly outraged about it.
Sorry you got in the way.
[Edited on 1-24-2009 by DENNIS]
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elizabeth
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I would not participate in a turtle feed. I won't eat turtle, but then I don't eat pandas either; threatened and endangered species are not high on
my list of things to eat...hey, I won't eat shark fin soup, I don't even eat most shrimp (one of my favorite foods) because of the by-catch and the
death of turtles in the nets...I try for trap caught prawns and diver caught scallops.
But...as an omnivore who eats beef and cute little piggies and fluffy little lambs, I don't think I have the moral authority to tell people they
shouldn't eat domestic animals that I think are more pet like...such as cute little bunnies, or even burros or dogs no matter how repugnant I find it
to be...that's my cultural bias.
I do think I can object to turtle feeds no matter where I am...turtles are the responsibility of all of us, they know no national boundaries.
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If you condone the killing of these wild animals by anyone for anything short of starvation you need your own head examined.
Culture just don't cut it no mo. Now if you want to take three or four hundred to cut up and sell under the auspices of promoting science.....no
problem! The Japanese do it every year with Minke Whales 
The biggest offenders now in Mexico are the turtle egg robbers on the mainland.
Heck it's free wildlife for the taking. Who will miss it? Surely not the greedy people. What's a few million tons of wasted shark or bear or rhino or
walrus or...or....or..... Patagonian Toothfish!!
Dennis, thank you for being educated and vocal.
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
What's a few million tons of wasted shark
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The custom/method of "Finning" shark, catching and cutting off the dorsal fin, then dumping the animal back into the sea alive, is blood-thirsty
cruel. All this so a man in China can have a bowl of soup. This is an industry in Mexico...big in the Gulf. I've seem mountains of desicated fins
in a warehouse in Santa Rosalia awaiting shipping.
Sharkfin Soup. Very expensive, so they say. What kind of person wouldn't consider the expense paid by the donor of this "delicasy."
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Russ
ELINVESTI8 I saw that coming!!!! |
Russ, Crazy-Cat could not resist coming out to take care of business. He was so peeed he forgot his vigilante mask.
I hope no one saw him without it.
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I hunt and I'm usually not too bothered by the process of killing, gutting, skinning animals to eat. But the common means of handling large sea
turtles in Mexico is something that has always bothered me. It IS torture and somewhat akin to crucificion. In the early 60's in Zihuatanejo and on
Cozumel, turtle was more commonly consumed than beef. When captured, the first thing that is done to keep the turtle from flopping around is to cut
holes in the flippers and "sew" them together with a piece of sisal rope. They are kept alive on their backs until ready for consumption and then
their throats are slit. But, unlike mammals, turtles don't die right away. Even decapitated or nearly so, turtles take several hours, even a couple
of days to die.
I'll pass.
All my childhood I wanted to be older. Now I\'m older and this chitn sucks.
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DENNIS
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At what point does outrage turn to action?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Marla Daily
A philosophical question— the answer based on personal boundaries (and prompted by the eating burro thread):
Would you, a guest or foreign resident in Mexico, join in on a local fisherman's turtle feast at a fish camp? Why or why not?
It is estimated as many as 35,000 green, loggerhead, leatherback and olive ridley turtles are consumed in the region every year; eating sea turtle has
been against the law in Mexico since 1990. |
Dumb question, proving there is such a trhing as a stupid question.
Don't do anything to partake in or encourage destruction of endangered species.
Period.
Put another way, do you join in burglaries and murders because you don't want to offend your burglarizing and murdering hosts?
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What would Charles Darwin have to say about this? Isn't the 'natural order' for the weaker to be consumed by the stronger? Yes, but we do have a
choice as humans. Darwinism or evolution may not be right.
Seems that there should be more than survival involved here... Do we or can we enjoy turtles more by observing them in nature, than by eating them?
I hope so... there is so much we can eat and enjoy, that avoiding the turtles shouldn't be too traumatic!
Now, if their population were to rebound and the Sea of Cortez was once again so full of turtles that one could walk across it on their backs (as was
once written)... then the delicacy could be enjoyed, once more... que no?
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