| Pages:
1
2
3 |
comitan
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 4177
Registered: 3-27-2004
Location: La Paz
Member Is Offline
Mood: mellow
|
|
US Reporting on Drug Cartels
A personalized perspective on the Drug Cartels from a Blogger;
Well it is a long and complicated story. One that I know of from a perspective different then reading in the paper.
I did talk to an old friend from US Customs while in Houston. He said a LOT of the rhetoric is from various governmental agencies trying to "beef" up
their funding for their agency at the expense of Mexico - ie, DEA, Border Patrol, Homeland Security. You see those agencies weren't around 15 years
ago when all of the borders were the responsibility of US Customs-even drug interdiction. He smirked as he talked about it. The sad thing is that it
gives Mexico a "black" eye AND certainly hurts the economy.
My tour group has cancelled their trip here in August thanks to those articles in the Houston Chronicle!
Babs
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
|
|
|
CaboRon
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 3401
Registered: 3-24-2007
Location: The Valley of the Moon
Member Is Offline
Mood: Peacefull
|
|
The only way to get Mexico to clean up their act is to cut off the money.
It is the consumers ultimate weapon.
How can you possibly blame the reporting of the news.
Mexico is corrupt to the highest levels of her government.
The public needs to be kept informed of the state of affairs down here.
CaboRon
spelling
[Edited on 1-27-2009 by CaboRon]
|
|
|
Bajahowodd
Elite Nomad
Posts: 9274
Registered: 12-15-2008
Location: Disneyland Adjacent and anywhere in Baja
Member Is Offline
|
|
There is a good point made here. I know that some of you who are living in or near the areas of the greatest violence rightfully have a perspective
eminating from your own proximity. But I have to say that i was quite shocked when folks within our own government lumped Mexico with countries like
Afganistan and Pakistan. the idea that it will somehow aid certain agencies requests for funding makes sense. Not to mention that many Mexican
politicians and journalists point to the fact that most of the country is quiet and safe. I really don't think someone living in Merida shares the
same heightened sense of gloom as someone living in Juarez.
|
|
|
Mango
Senior Nomad
Posts: 685
Registered: 4-11-2006
Location: Alta California &/or Mexicali
Member Is Offline
Mood: Bajatastic
|
|
"Just another nice day in Mexico", does not sell very many newspapers...
The press is in it to make money. The press get used and manipulated by people trying to further agendas all the time.
The press in the USA is more able to accurately report about the narcos as they don't have to worry about being killed as much as the Mexican press
does. However; the truth is not the priority in the USA. It's money.
Journalistic ethics is a huge issue that most people really don't have a good grip on. I spent a short time working for a large magazine and found
out quickly, they would not review, or review favorably, products unless they advertised in the magazine. That is the norm for most publishers, and
the public really has no idea. It's pay to play.
Nowadays, the news is just a way to make money by selling ad space, period.
|
|
|
motoged
Elite Nomad
Posts: 6481
Registered: 7-31-2006
Location: Kamloops, BC
Member Is Offline
Mood: Gettin' Better
|
|
CR,
I do believe that Mexico is not the only North American country that is so corrupt...
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=oszATUJ4IRE&feature=related
| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
<snip....
How can you possibly blame the reporting of the news.
Mexico is corrupt to the highest levels of her government.
The public needs to be kept informed of the state of affairs down here.
[Edited on 1-27-2009 by CaboRon] |
Don't believe everything you think....
|
|
|
CaboRon
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 3401
Registered: 3-24-2007
Location: The Valley of the Moon
Member Is Offline
Mood: Peacefull
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
CR,
I do believe that Mexico is not the only North American country that is so corrupt...
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=oszATUJ4IRE&feature=related
| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
<snip....
How can you possibly blame the reporting of the news.
Mexico is corrupt to the highest levels of her government.
The public needs to be kept informed of the state of affairs down here.
[Edited on 1-27-2009 by CaboRon] |
|
It may not be the only country that is corrupt,
However that does not excuse the corruption .
And we happen to be discussing Mexico in this forum.
CaboRon
|
|
|
oldlady
Banned
Posts: 1714
Registered: 10-31-2005
Location: BCS
Member Is Offline
|
|
In this thread we seem to be discussing a perspective of Mexico by the US media and some governmental agencies. If corruption comes into the
discussion...well the pot may be calling the kettle...
Isn't the core issue still illegal drug use in the US..and that's been beaten to death. I'm too much the cynic to believe our charitable and peace
loving fellow citizens north of the border would just voluntarily stop using drugs altogether instead of feeding this carnage.
Comitan's friend makes a good point. There's a stampede for a piece of the stimulus pie that is about to come out of Washington. Raising the volume,
the awareness and possibly exaggerating the situation in Mexico would be consistent with tactics that we've seen used before to gain support for
increased funding.
[Edited on 1-27-2009 by oldlady]
|
|
|
The Gull
Super Nomad
Posts: 2223
Registered: 8-28-2003
Location: Rancho Descanso, BCN
Member Is Offline
Mood: High
|
|
Where is it in the US news reporting social consciousness to write a headline: "Unrelenting Drug Use by Americans Devastates and Destabilizes Yet
Another Latin Country"?
It could cover the rampart use of drugs in Hollywood and in our universities.
Are those areas too protected by the miserable liberals?
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
|
|
|
oldlady
Banned
Posts: 1714
Registered: 10-31-2005
Location: BCS
Member Is Offline
|
|
Yes.
|
|
|
CaboRon
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 3401
Registered: 3-24-2007
Location: The Valley of the Moon
Member Is Offline
Mood: Peacefull
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by memin.pinguin
| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
The only way to get Mexico to clean up their act is to cut off the money.
It is the consumers ultimate weapon.
How can you possibly blame the reporting of the news.
Mexico is corrupt to the highest levels of her government.
The public needs to be kept informed of the state of affairs down here.
CaboRon
spelling
[Edited on 1-27-2009 by CaboRon] |
The only way to get Mexico to clean up their act is to cut off the money. <----- false!
The only way no drug business in that dimension from thru and from Mexico is when there are no more buyers of the drugs! Who's buying....... ??
|
And that is not going to happen...
If they can't keep a clean house we should cut off every cent and let Mexico collapse to their drug loards.
Mexico has blamed the USA for everything bad that has happened ....
Time the Mexicans take a little responsibility for their crap ...
And stop this passive-aggresive behavior towerd the good people of the United States of America.
CaboRon
|
|
|
gnukid
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 4411
Registered: 7-2-2006
Member Is Offline
|
|
Ron
Its possible that the internal politics of Mexico and the United States and their historical inter-relationship are so complex, intertwined and
compartmentalized and therefore impossible for hardly any one individual to understand the true operations of military, mafia and government and how
contraband and commercial goods pass and how deals are made and by whom.
But, we certainly know corruption is not implicitly centrally controlled by anyone group, although surely attempts to maintain power are constant.
There is a constant organic change to these agreements to coexist and allow trafficking.
It seems that the one constant is the blatent corruption by many high level key people, who "look the other way" along with denial by many, of
obvious absolute cooperation of some public figures to transact and move drug sales across borders.
|
|
|
CaboRon
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 3401
Registered: 3-24-2007
Location: The Valley of the Moon
Member Is Offline
Mood: Peacefull
|
|
Corruption is endemic to Mexico ...
There culture is rotten to the core ....
You can blame the Catholic church for much of what has gone wrong ....
CaboRon
|
|
|
Iflyfish
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 3747
Registered: 10-17-2006
Member Is Offline
|
|
When they do lab research on stock market "bubbles", by providing subjects with "money" to "wager" on the stock market the result is ALWAYS a bubble.
Drugs have existed in all cultures over all time. So maybe greed and the need to change consciousness are inate to human nature. Both are clearly at
work in this current situation.
Iflyfish
|
|
|
motoged
Elite Nomad
Posts: 6481
Registered: 7-31-2006
Location: Kamloops, BC
Member Is Offline
Mood: Gettin' Better
|
|
Ron,
I must point out that this thread is about "US Reporting...", and NOT Mexico...
As such, the "endemic corruption" has to include the role the US has in reporting on drug cartels...especially since their not-so-covert involvement
in a range of drug cartels places them as a cartel.
The "good people" of the US deserve better than the glop they get fed in their government's propaganda that suggests everyone else is to blame...
We don't even need a good conspiracy theory when we just need to get accurate information regarding US complicity in drug trade around the world. I am
not singling out the USA in this regard...but, rather, am encouraging this discussion to step beyond simply blaming Mexico (which, Ron, also has good
people) for "US Reporting..."
Now, I am not a fan of the Catholic church for a litany of reasons, but had to smile when I saw you bringing them into this fray....it was a comical
extrapolation.
What puzzles me, is your condemnation of a country and a people when you choose to be a guest residing there...
Ron, corruption unfortunately seems to be part of the human condition around the world....but only the corrupt are corrupt.
So, read the intro title of this thread before you condemn the facts I presented to the dung heap just because the facts don't fit with your opinion.
| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
Corruption is endemic to Mexico ...
There culture is rotten to the core ....
You can blame the Catholic church for much of what has gone wrong ....
CaboRon |
Don't believe everything you think....
|
|
|
Bajahowodd
Elite Nomad
Posts: 9274
Registered: 12-15-2008
Location: Disneyland Adjacent and anywhere in Baja
Member Is Offline
|
|
Since the United States has the highest per capita illicit drug consumption in the world, do you blame corruption in Mexico for that?
|
|
|
motoged
Elite Nomad
Posts: 6481
Registered: 7-31-2006
Location: Kamloops, BC
Member Is Offline
Mood: Gettin' Better
|
|
Uhhhh.... that would be the fault of the Evangelicals or Baptists....as the Catholic church has already been assigned to Mexico...
Don't believe everything you think....
|
|
|
oldlady
Banned
Posts: 1714
Registered: 10-31-2005
Location: BCS
Member Is Offline
|
|
Good point, motoged, let's march on all those evil protestants and close down
those drug dens they call churches! 
|
|
|
CaboRon
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 3401
Registered: 3-24-2007
Location: The Valley of the Moon
Member Is Offline
Mood: Peacefull
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
Uhhhh.... that would be the fault of the Evangelicals or Baptists....as the Catholic church has already been assigned to Mexico...
|
The Catholic church is responsible for more death and misery on this planet than Hitler ....
Check you history books ....
And furthermore theilr anti birth control stance is responsible for much of the poverty in Mexico and around the world.
This is a blanket condemnation of all organized religin.
If you want to cover your eyes to the truth that is of course your right.
CaboRon
[Edited on 1-28-2009 by CaboRon]
|
|
|
The Gull
Super Nomad
Posts: 2223
Registered: 8-28-2003
Location: Rancho Descanso, BCN
Member Is Offline
Mood: High
|
|
CrapoRon, when are you leaving Baja and this board?
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
|
|
|
CaboRon
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 3401
Registered: 3-24-2007
Location: The Valley of the Moon
Member Is Offline
Mood: Peacefull
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
CrapoRon, when are you leaving Baja and this board? |
You question my facts ?
During the three inquisitions the Catholic church murdered more than four million women ...
You call that crap ???
You are beyond words ....
You can expedite my leaving by contributing to my PayPal account.
And you have not read anything yet ... as soon as I clear the border you will read about the state of afairs here in Baja in your local papers back
home.
CaboRon
|
|
|
| Pages:
1
2
3 |
![[*]](images/xmbforum/default_icon.gif){kind=icon}
