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CNN: Drug violence spins Mexico toward 'civil war'
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/02/18/mexico.drug...
Story Highlights:
Drug-related conflicts bring waves of violence, death that some liken to a civil war
U.S. helps fuel violence with market for illegal drugs, weapons supply for drug gangs
"The drug gangs are better equipped than the army," expert says
Pervasive corruption among public officials also at center of drug cartels' success
[Edited on 2-19-2009 by Woooosh]
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Wouldn't that put the U.S. on the spot! It's one thing to invade a country thousands of miles away.
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The 'expert' is an idiot
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"The drug gangs are better equipped than the army," expert says
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Last time I checked the cartels don't have tanks, APC's, fighter jets, a navy and ten's of thousands of combat troops.
Course, that don't mean shinola if you don't use them. 
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That report is pure bullchit.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
"The drug gangs are better equipped than the army," expert says
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Last time I checked the cartels don't have tanks, APC's, fighter jets, a navy and ten's of thousands of combat troops.
Course, that don't mean shinola if you don't use them. |
When the police issue bazookas, RPG's and fragmentation grenades to their street patrol cars- they'll be on even ground with the narcos. Does Mexico
even have an air force with fighter jets?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
When the police issue bazookas, RPG's and fragmentation grenades to their street patrol cars- they'll be on even ground with the narcos. Does Mexico
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Think so? Remember what happened with the Zetas. All that special kick-ass training and what did they do with it? Went over to the better paying
side. I don't think you want to give grenades to the street cops. Some day, they may decide to return them without the pin.
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I know it's hard to believe but...
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Does Mexico even have an air force with fighter jets? |
Mexico's a real country with an army, navy, and airforce. I remember Jesse posting about their acquiring a few of the the new Euro-fighters
or Soviet MIG's.
And just in time 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Does Mexico even have an air force with fighter jets? |
Why is it that those with so many opinions are the ones that know less about subjects?
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Mexico has bought a massive amount of various weaponry in the last 10 years. Their biggest problem is keeping anything in running condition because of
all the corruption and theft issues.
\"take what you can, give nothing back!\"
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the
American people.\'
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We can have no \"50-50\" allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fdt
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Does Mexico even have an air force with fighter jets? |
Why is it that those with so many opinions are the ones that know less about subjects?
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I was asking a question- not stating a fact.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
I was asking a question- not stating a fact. |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fdt
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I was asking a question- not stating a fact. |
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I don't think so.....
FDT is becomming a troll 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fdt
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Does Mexico even have an air force with fighter jets? |
Why is it that those with so many opinions are the ones that know less about subjects?
He was asking an honest question. Thank you for giving him (and me) some info on the matter. However, I don't see that as any reason to dig at him.
About the jets: I really don't see how they're going to stop people from sneaking drugs across the border. They're no defense against aggression from
the U.S., and it's hard to see Mexico needing jets to defend its border from Belize and Guatemala. Anyway, the best weapon against drug trafficking
(short of outright legalization) would be to somehow provide alternative options for a decent standard of living for its citizens. Upon last report,
Mexico is the 11th richest country in the world; I'm not saying that they should start acting like it, but at some point, something has got to give.
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Jets require constant maintenance,
Something that just seems to be non existant in the culture.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
| Quote: | Originally posted by fdt
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I don't think so.....
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No, he's just has that strong mexican pride and internalized denial that keeps this country from accepting serious problems even exist- let alone
start resolving them. It's very Mexican, really and typical of all third world countries. Not his fault- it's socialized denial. The whole concept
of mentioning an air force to prevent narco street crime is absurd.
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The collateral damage in trying to use airpower and heavy-duty weaponry in the kind of conflict occurring in Mexico now would only alienate Mexican
citizens who up until now are trying to stay out of it. As has been mentioned before on the Nomad site, the thing that stopped the gangster problem in
the US during prohibition was the legalization of alcohol and not any governmental force.
Unfortunately there are no good solutions to this problem, particularly since the market in the US shows no signs of drying up.
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We need positive I.D.. Judgeing from the flag on the tail of that aircraft, it could be the Hungarian or Italian airforce
Holy Cow.....That is scarey.
Honestly...I had heard that Mexico has a precision flying team on the design of the Blue Angels or Thunderbirds. Anybody ever hear of that?
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Gee. If CaboRon is correct about Mexicans not being able to maintain machinery, then we're all in trouble. Last count saw 16 FAA certified maintenace
facilities in Mexico, plus 1 other certified by JAA (EU), and 1 by DGAC(France). Three major international maintenance companies, SAMES, Snecma and
Messier all have facilities in Queretaro. Mexicana works on planes from all over the world at their facility in Mexico City. So, I guess we're in
trouble if we fly, huh?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by LancairDriver
The collateral damage in trying to use airpower and heavy-duty weaponry in the kind of conflict occurring in Mexico now would only alienate Mexican
citizens who up until now are trying to stay out of it. As has been mentioned before on the Nomad site, the thing that stopped the gangster problem in
the US during prohibition was the legalization of alcohol and not any governmental force.
Unfortunately there are no good solutions to this problem, particularly since the market in the US shows no signs of drying up.
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The systemic problem with Mexico is the people accepted and even embraced the corruption over the decades. They knew no other way to supplement their
paltry incomes- be it through Mordidas or the endless tramities.
Higher education as an institutional solution never occured to them because four years is "long range" thinking and they needed money yesterday. Even
15% of the police have only grade school educations. The only ones who could help Mexico- the smart and educated- left Mexico for a better life on
the "other side" years ago and won't come back to help. They'll wave La Raza banners and Mexican flags stateside but what was the top topic of
concern for last years's La Raza convention in San Diego- not the violence, corruption or declining Mexican economy- but "How the mortagage crisis is
affecting Mexican Americans" wtf? Once they crossed the border they apparently turned their backs on their country forever. Now if they came back to
promote change- they would likely be killed.
Mexicans "tried to stay out of it" so long their country is now almost unrecognizable and still they have no one to trust or turn to without putting
their own family's safety in direct jeopardy. You can't hide indoors and peek out through curtains and expect social change for the better.
Mexicans play victims much better than they do civil warriors. The country went from the dreamy land of Manana to the unstable land of nada over the
past few years while everyone denied, hid, blamed the media and pointed a finger at the USA. When they did come out to protest it was for selfish
reasons- they protested car import taxes and diesel fuel prices. It's only going to get worse, much worse.
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