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Pescador
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Fishing license enforcement
I just talked to a good friend from Santa Rosalia area and he was asked by the PESCA office to inform all of the people he knows that they are going
to be doing a lot more enforcement of fishing licenses in the Santa Rosalia/Mulege areas. I have been borded once in the last couple of weeks and now
he tells me that the PESCA office is going to begin a compliance check and those boats operating without a valid license for each person on board and
a current registration of the boat from the person's residence and those boats who are not in compliance will be confiscated and the person will be
paying a fine and may well have jail time.
This seems to be happening to the local fisherman as well and we could only hope that they start checking licenses and matriculatin numbers of the
pangas who start netting during the spring run.
In the last ten years I think this year is the first time I have ever been checked and luckily I had all the papers and licenses aboard, but if they
are really serious about this it sure could change things.
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Jim, are you saying (that THEY are saying) even vessels here on a TIP would have to keep their US registration current?
[Edited on 3-4-2009 by Hook]
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I think it was Diver who recently posted there was a new online source for fishing licenses. Just when I was celebrating the fact that Mexico is
beginning to make licenses more accessable, funneling the money to FONMAR to be used regionally. Down south here they are trying to find more
ways/more places to sell licenses but it is a hit and miss situation. Overall a lot more visible enforcement of registration and fishing licenses. I
can't speak to TIP (is that a Temporary Import Permit?) cause my boat is registered in San Jose. It is all good news for the fishery except: last week
the authorities were enforcing the 2 dorado rule here while allowing Mexicans to capture 100s of kilos of sierra. Two steps forward skity eigth steps
back..........
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I for one am glad they will be enforcing the rules everywhere....as we went through great I mean GREAT lengths and expense to legalize our pangas with
matriculas and all...and have turned down clients who dont have mexican licenses...so everyone who doesnt like mordidas and are those "letter of the
law" types should applaud this measure of enforcing the fisheries regulations...sportsfishermen take alot of fish too. Mexico is getting
organized...isnt this what people want??? or only if it doesnt affect YOU! You can now get licenses even in some gas stations like in BOLA.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
... It is all good news for the fishery except: last week the authorities were enforcing the 2 dorado rule here while allowing Mexicans to capture
100s of kilos of sierra. Two steps forward skity eigth steps back.......... |
Yes, I have heard that you folks down south have sierra. We used to catch them here, too, in the Loreto "Marine Park." Really scarce fish here in
recent years.
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Pescador
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Hook, what the Marine people told me when they boarded was that they wanted to see some type of registration of the boat, In my case I had both, so I
can not really answer that question. You should be able to get the answer to that question either from the PESCA office in Guaymas or at the marina
in San Carlos.
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Pescador
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
I for one am glad they will be enforcing the rules everywhere....as we went through great I mean GREAT lengths and expense to legalize our pangas with
matriculas and all...and have turned down clients who dont have mexican licenses...so everyone who doesnt like mordidas and are those "letter of the
law" types should applaud this measure of enforcing the fisheries regulations...sportsfishermen take alot of fish too. Mexico is getting
organized...isnt this what people want??? or only if it doesnt affect YOU! You can now get licenses even in some gas stations like in BOLA.
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I applaud Shari and Juan for doing this. In the past I have had friends who I would take out for the day and because things had not been enforced in
the past or because they were nationals, I did not pay attention to whether or not they had licenses. Now that has changed and unless a person has a
valid fishing license that is current, they do not get a chance to go out on my boat.
I also know that we have had some people at the trailer park in San Lucas that figured there was no reason to have a registered boat or fishing
licenses. Guess that is still true, but I would bet that when they take the first boat, that there will be a long line at the office where they issue
fishing licenses.
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Last October we were not able to get the fishing permit at the gas station in BOLA, had to go to Guillermo's Bar to obtain. Not sure if they have
started selling at the gas station in BOLA again.
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Reading the above it appears that local Nationals/Mexican citizens need a license also????
Do they pay a different rate?????
I sure hope so since $40 something sounds like it would be very expensive.
Thanks
[Edited on 3-5-2009 by Paladin]
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yes they have them at the station in BOLA. second station on the left.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Paladin
Reading the above it appears that local Nationals/Mexican citizens need a license also????
Do they pay a different rate?????
I sure hope so since $40 something sounds like it would be very expensive.
Thanks
[Edited on 3-5-2009 by Paladin] |
How do Mexican Nationals purchase them (licenses) if they live in remote areas?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Paladin
Reading the above it appears that local Nationals/Mexican citizens need a license also????
Do they pay a different rate?????
I sure hope so since $40 something sounds like it would be very expensive.
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Mordidas are flexible. They pay whatever they're carrying.
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shari
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it is the same license for mexicans too...same price and there is NO WAY TO PAY A MORDIDA HERE!!! The fisheries officer is an awesome guy who will NOT
be bought....sorry.
On a side note...just to let ya know that mexicans are treated equal in fisheries issues...and maybe worse...a few days ago a couple fishermen pulled
their fish traps and were spotted (by another fisherman) not throwing back the lobster that get in them but keeping them in the boat...well, the
vigilancia busted them and it is a 6 year jail term instead of just a coop violation because they are out of season now. Lucky for the families of
these guys, they were given the option to avoid the jail term of resigning from the coop which means no job, no pension, no health insurance for the
families.
The moral of the story is...DO NOT TAKE ANY LOBSTERS/abalone etc...even though you may think..awww this is mexico, no problema, there are lots of bugs
down there....you will go to jail.
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Congrats to the officials..It is refreshing to see locals getting the same treatment as everybody else....Things are changing and at least for the
better there....now if we could only get those officials over to Mulege and the bay of conception......
Mexico!! Where two can live as cheaply as one.....but it costs twice as much.....
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Yes, congrats on enforcing the law, but in my opinion ANY time in the pokey is absurd, and counter-productive. Fines, and stiff ones, ARE
appropriate, and the pokey should be reserved for only those who "fail to learn" or are disrespectful to the officer.
The objective should NOT be to ruin one's livelyhood!
That's my take, anyway.
Barry
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Fines here dont work because there is no money to pay them...jail is inappropriate for their crime IMHO...these 2 guys are upstanding cleancut, older
gentlemen...said they were using the lobster for bait for the traps which is very common but illegal too but I dont see it as a crime to ruin someones
life in jail for. I think temporary suspension for a season would work in this case but the powers that be....well...i wont go into that here.
they will likely try to get a spot fishing sargasso now.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Paladin
Reading the above it appears that local Nationals/Mexican citizens need a license also????
Do they pay a different rate?????
I sure hope so since $40 something sounds like it would be very expensive.
ThanksD
[Edited on 3-5-2009 by Paladin] |
If they are commercial fishing they get a matricula number and I do not know what that costs, but if they are sportfishing, then they need a license
for Pesca Deportiva. This is a problem if you take a mexican with you for the day to go fishing and he does not have a license, since you are
sportfishing, he really does need a license. During the Governor's Cup Tournaments, they were issuing sport fishing licenses for 5 days to cover the
tournament, but they had to buy them the same way as the Norteamericanos. Probably due to lax enforcement, everyone thought that they did not need a
license, but if you read the regs, it is a little different.
Shari can answer better than I but I suppose that the coop fisherman have a matricula number but still need a sport fishing license to go out on
someone elses boat. I think that was what Juanchy's told me at La Bocana.
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fishing licenses NOT available at Pemex in BOLA. Have been trying to get one this week. Also not at Diaz. The only possibility is at Guillermo's,
but you must see him personally. Staff doesn't know for sure.
I'll post the outcome when I track him down.
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shari
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Terry28....regarding the comment about how nice that locals are given the same treatment....hmmm...I wonder what a huge scandal would occur if a
gringo tourist...say one of the Mulege Jungle Jim boys...everybody's drinkin buddy....got 5 years in a mexican prison cause he had a couple lobster in
his Robalo? It would be interesting to see if a gringo would get encarcerated like the locals do. A teenager here got 4 years cause he got an abalone
off the rocks here at the blowhole to make a little ceviche for lunch.
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Terry28
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Shari, Good point..I would guess that gringos, like in your above post would skate...and no, it would not be fair at all, but neither is 4 years for
your local teen. Did that sentence get upheld?? seems way too harsh.
What I meant in my post was that some locals get ignored for some law violations when tourists get targeted. i.e. speeding,drinking in public etc.
I guess the double standard can worl both ways.. , Monica needs another guitar lesson and misses her horse!!
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Mexico!! Where two can live as cheaply as one.....but it costs twice as much.....
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