Hook
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Vinyl windows and sliding doors in hot climes?
Are there issues with using vinyl windows and sliders in extremely hot conditions like maybe the climate in Santa Rosalia or Loreto?
I am wondering if they are susceptible to warping when temps are regularly above 95 degrees.
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longlegsinlapaz
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Hook, are you talking vinyl vinyl....or vinyl clad aluminum? I've used vinyl
clad aluminum windows & sliders in 3 casas I've built in La Paz over the past 10 years & they're the only material I'd use.
My only personal experience with all-vinyl products was a new construction home in Oregon which had vinyl siding, and I personally didn't like it; I'd
have gone with wood.
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Diver
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Found this article about all-vinyl windows:
Vinyl begins to soften and distort at 165 degrees Fahrenheit, which is a temperature that's easily reached in the space between a window and drapes on
a sunny day (winter or summer). And though all windows expand and contract with temperature changes, vinyl expands more than twice that of wood. It
expands seven times farther than glass with each degree of temperature. This can cause the seal between the vinyl framework and the glass to fail. The
problem increases with the size of the window; the bigger the sash, the sooner it fails.
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Hook
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Vinyl over aluminum, huh? Sounds like the best of both worlds. I will ask around down here about them.
Leery of wood due to the chance of infestation, as well as the ongoing maintenance.
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DianaT
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We had double pane vinyl windows in the Central Valley of California and in Calexico and it gets really hot in both places. We loved them.
We also have them in our home in Imperial Beach---never real hot, but salt air and no problem.
Wish we had them here in Bahia Asuncion---
Diane
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msawin
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windows...
Hook,
Hope to put my two cents in. I am the "glass man". 38 years of the glass business. I sell all types of windows. New construction and replacement...
Mirrors, custom showers, windshields, commercial storefront.. I do not know it all, but I do all of it.
We built our place in Tripui this last year and I used a vinyl almond radius top double casement in front.... A must for all of you is to use the
tinted "low-e" glass. Over 70 % blockage of the sun razes, "heat". This window faces the western mountains.
I used some "kolbe and kolbe" aluminum clad wood windows in our bedroom, also a dual glazed aluminum sliding patio door.
I used them all.
I am concerned about termites with my wood windows. I will look for them. The vinyl is a great insulator like the wood windows but I have my doubts
about vinyl lasting. Not just my local but all the homes I have sold windows to. Nor Cal.
I think the best you can use is the aluminum with the tinted "low-e" glass. You will have some heat transfer threw the aluminum frames, but they
will be after we are gone.
Cladding is done to protect the exterior of wood windows. No painting. There is one wood window that clads in vinyl. Anderson. There is no reason to
clad an aluminum window. I have never herd of such a thing.
ps amsco has been a brand sold in Nor Cal and I think it of the lower quaity.
martin-o
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oladulce
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What's your opinion of fiberglass windows Martin?
We're having fiberglass sliders installed tomorrow in our So. Calif house. http://web.pella.com/products/doors/IMPslidingpatio/Pages/detailpage.aspx
HOA requires "Bronze"color frames and the dark brown vinyl looked kinda cheapo in these huge sliders (although the vinyl was not inexpensive ). We
opted to pay a little more for the fiberglass so at least it would look like we spent the money, so the house will sell faster and we can retire to
Baja sooner!
Our Baja Sur place is on the waterfront and even though we don't get direct salt spray very often, it's definitely going to be subjected to salt air.
We're on the Pacific side so it's not as hot as your location. We are wondering if fiberglass composite windows and sliders for the new Baja house
would be worth the $$ and effort?
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msawin
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oladuce,
Fiberglass is perfect. It has the frame work that does not conduct heat. You can use the thicker insulated glass, hopefully with the tinted low-e.
You will not have a problem with the window frame construction. Fiberglass framed windows are the highest cost product for window construction with
the cost of extruding. I have
been in "Milgard Window's" manufacturing plant in Tacoma, Washington and have seen some of the extra steps to produce the product.
Fiberglass framed is the best you can do.. Tinted low-e, cardinal #240 a must. Really you must use the tinted low-e. No price increase using it.
marty
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El Camote
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Oh man, somebody that knows windows! Marty, can you tell me what can be done about a double-pane RV window that has developed a significant white
haze between the panes? Can it be "repaired" or am I better off replacing the window?
Knowledge is good. - Emil Faber
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