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luisv_2
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lote for sale en el centenario b.c.sur close to la paz
lot for sale en area el centenario....15 away from la paz....services in ti...water...tel....electric....22,000 usd....18 mts by 20 mts.....o better
deal.....inf luisv_2@hotmail.com or cel 612 15 657 39 with luis valdez
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fixtrauma
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Located up on the hill with a view or is it located on the flat?
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luisv_2
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its flat!!!
the lot is flat...not on the hill...have some friends that they parents has lot for sale...but they are expensive...and it on hill view....our lot is
clean...has no house on it and have 3 big tamarindow threes...nice shades...and ready to build a house ther...its quiet and...really peacefull....also
if you know every body want to rent for 300 montly...we can go for it...and we give the chance to do any thing on the property!!!
let me know!!!
luis valdez.
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fixtrauma
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Thank you Luis.
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BajaNuts
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Please say calle y calle location
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luisv_2
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yes...absolubly...is on lazaCard##as st and ruis cortines almos on the corner....it s all clean no house or buiding in it!!!!
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longlegsinlapaz
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Luis, since there are very few street signs in Centenario, how about some landmarks? What's on the hwy where you turn? How many blocks off the
hwy?...or GoogleEarth coordinates, por favor. Would a copy of the Environmental Impact Study granting permission for the lot to have been cleared be
included in the sale?
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luisv_2
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well, impact study i havent did ti....no...because is aa property for to live..if you want to like a gas station...then we need to do that impac study
or for something quimical industry....is one blok away from the hwy...end almos on the corner...lazaro Card##as st and ruis cortines str..and about
the permision let me know what type of busisnes you want to do...and i let you know!!!
best regards....!!
luis valdez.
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longlegsinlapaz
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Luis, unless there is some special exclusion that I'm not familiar with, ALL unimproved land legally requires an Environmental Impact
Study to get approval from SEMERNAT to clear/clean. I haven't researched commercial, but I do know it is a legal requirement for residential
construction. Even if you just want to clear the land & not build a casa, the law requires Environmental Impact Study & without the final
letter of authorization telling the property owner what specific plants can be removed, what must stay & what can be relocated on the property,
PROFEPA has the power to issue a legal order to cease all work on the property, and fines of up to $10,000 equivalent USD are imposed.
PROFEPA has issued many stop work orders & imposed $10,000 equiv. USD fines on properties here in Centenario; as well as throughout the entire
length of Baja; where the contractor knowingly lied to the property owner & told them they had obtained the EIS, or lied by telling them it's not
required.
These are Federal requirements, not local laws & several people here on the Baja Nomad site have had to deal with this problem & it's a long,
stressful & expensive situation dealing with PROFEPA to make things right. PROFEPA is very aggressive in enforcement!
The EIS requirement law has been in place for many years, however, PROFEPA has only begun actively enforcing it in the past few years. Please check
with SEMERNAT for current regulations before you try to sell this property because the property owner, not the builder, architect or contractor is
held legally responsible.
It's expensive getting the EIS done, but it's even more expensive NOT getting it done!
Edit: Corrected my accidentally using PROFECO rather than PROFEPA which it should have been...I know the difference, the names are too close! 
[Edited on 3-23-2009 by longlegsinlapaz]
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oldlady
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She's right. You can ask the oldlady who's been there. Ignorance is not always bliss.
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luisv_2
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what are you tlking about!!!?
hello miss....!!
the property is belong to my family for 25 years...that property has the (escrituras) the power on name of my sister...we have not to fix any other
paper work...every thing is right....that town just to be a ejido...but not any more....
by the way the property is clean...and if we want to build any thing on the lote...we just need to pay for the permision for construction...and thats
it!!!
you probably are confuse....or if you want to build any commercial shop like gas station or something similar...then we need the impact study....thats
diferent!!!
well i hope my spanglis help some how....
wish you the best!!!
best regards...
luis valdez.
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longlegsinlapaz
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Moved from http://forums.bajanomad.com/post.php?action=reply&fid=7&... for continuity
| Quote: | Originally posted by luisv_2
hello miss....!!
the property is belong to my family for 25 years...that property has the (escrituras) the power on name of my sister...we have not to fix any other
paper work...every thing is right....that town just to be a ejido...but not any more....
by the way the property is clean...and if we want to build any thing on the lote...we just need to pay for the permision for construction...and thats
it!!!
you probably are confuse....or if you want to build any commercial shop like gas station or something similar...then we need the impact study....thats
diferent!!!
well i hope my spanglis help some how....
wish you the best!!!
best regards...
luis valdez. |
I'm not questioning legal ownership of the land. My only concern is in regards to current
Federal laws regarding Environmental Impact Study requirements.
Luis, with all due respect, I'm NOT confused. I've built 3 casas here within a mile of each other over the past 10 years. SEMERNAT
requires an Environmental Impact Study on all unimproved land prior to construction. As I said, I've never researched commercial construction
requirements...which I can understand would/should be different. My experience & knowledge is only in residential construction, and it's all in
the Centenario area.
Please note the other post above which confirms that what I've said is true.
What??? You think we're making this up? People here in Centenario HAVE had
PROFEPA issue a STOP WORK order on their construction & HAVE issued fines of $10,000 equivilent USD...it happened to someone who has
posted on this thread.
My intent is not to argue with you, I just feel it's only fair that any potential buyer to be aware of current Federal laws. I feel it's important
that you as the seller offer current and accurate information to anyone interested in this property.
Unless there is an exclusion for property under a certain amount of square meters (my smallest property was 800 sq meters)...or
possibly the property was cleared prior to enactment of the Environmental Impact Study laws...the information I've provided to you is factual &
current, based on my own personal experience, and the personal experience of other posters here.
If you don't believe me, please check with SEMERNAT & post your findings here. If you obtain conflicting information to what I've posted, please
post specific details of any exceptions to the law as we've experienced it.
Edit: Corrected PROFECO to PROFEPA, which is the agency I should have used originally!
[Edited on 3-23-2009 by longlegsinlapaz]
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ligui
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No big deal , if you buy the land pay and have a study done.After that you can build.
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luisv_2
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ok
you rigth...that happend in lomas del centenario...thats other neigthberghood....not even close from our property....!!!
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longlegsinlapaz
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Luis, it's Federal law, not local city or even state; not restricted to Lomas del Centenario. My property is not in Lomas del
Centenario. It applied to my beachfront property between Comitan & Centenario as well. Check with SEMERNAT.
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shari
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legs....do you by any chance have a government link to provide here about "checking with semernat"? maybe that would help if luis could find the
internet info...
luis...check your U2
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luisv_2
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| Quote: | Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz
Luis, it's Federal law, not local city or even state; not restricted to Lomas del Centenario. My property is not in Lomas del
Centenario. It applied to my beachfront property between Comitan & Centenario as well. Check with SEMERNAT. |
yes sr....i do believe you....and i m not argument about it...its diferent ...you are close to the beach...i m no close to....i know that for sure...
i dont have to do that study...and honestly ...not trying to screw some one!!!
if you want to talk to me...i can explend you better by cel....6121565739....thank you any way for your advise...!!!
luis valdez.
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longlegsinlapaz
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
legs....do you by any chance have a government link to provide here about "checking with semernat"? maybe that would help if luis could find the
internet info...
luis...check your U2 |
No Shari, I don't...I'm not fluent enough in Espanol to research that type of
information online. I believe Luis is fluent in Espanol, maybe he has the ability to find it online. Any other volunteers??
All my knowledge is based on personal experience in dealing directly with SEMERNAT & the personal experiences with friends & acquaintances
dealing with SEMARNAT & PROFEPA.
Anyone can believe what they choose to believe...their beliefs do not change the reality of my multiple factual experiences. I'm soooo done posting
to this thread!
Edit: PROFEPA not PROFECO....sorry!
[Edited on 3-23-2009 by longlegsinlapaz]
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luisv_2
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i just call a frined of mine...he is a lawyer...he say any lot on beaches...or for use commercial...has to do that study,if you are close to the bech
fro 100 mts...and also you have to pay a fideocomiso for to be 50 mts o less from ocean....and regular lots you are not force to do that...at lss if
you are going to build anything that could damege the soil...water...or plants....so what happend on your case..no body explain you before you bouth
that property and thats why you pay the fine....any question i ll give you my friend fhone number...i friend of my wife works on semarnap...
hope this inf help any body for future....!!!
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norte
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Give it up Legs. It might be that your experience is in the minority.
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