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Cochi
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Aqua Verde
Any advice on ride conditions,ie. ok for pickup and camper? Hint,hint Shari.....
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shari
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OK...well, ahem....one nomad asked me not to disclose any info on "this area" but hmmmm, well...ahem...what to do? Have you been there before? The
road is long and rocky but it's better than I have ever seen it...how big is the camper? The road is NOT for the faint of heart, nor big rigs that are
top heavy...but a little pick up camper shell would be fine. U2U me if you have any questions...but remember, it's a secret.
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Bajaboy
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since when has Agua Verde been a secret?
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Marie-Rose
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Keep an eye out for very large leather back tarantula's
The road is definitely not for the faint of heart and it was one time that I was very happy driving the "Westy"!! Can't wait to go back!!!
Remember, when in Mexico, yes may be no and no may be
maybe!
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bajamedic
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Shari, please don’t withhold based on one opinion, I miss knowing about your little corner of Baja.
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Cochi
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Reading tween the lines, Thanx for the "better than ever" advice. My Toyota and popup camper will make the trek b4 the next hurricane. I respect what
is going on ,but since reading the secret book twice it is about time to cross that destination off the to do list.
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David K
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The road to Agua Verde... at the top of the DROP OFF:
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805gregg
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I wouldn't want to take a large top heavy camper in there, the road is very narrow and the rock overhang the road in some places, plus if you decide
its too tuff there is no where to turn around.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cochi
Reading tween the lines, Thanx for the "better than ever" advice. My Toyota and popup camper will make the trek b4 the next hurricane. I respect what
is going on ,but since reading the secret book twice it is about time to cross that destination off the to do list. |
Toyota with popup should be no problem at all. We have a Tundra with a shell and last time we went down there, I drove and I am a wuss---
But I do agree, a big unit could be a problem.
It is a beautiful spot and quite popular with a number of people. Have a great time
Diane
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shari
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this is one of my favorite curves and the only one with a sign warning of hairpin turn...very very very scary dropoffs with no guardrails anywhere and
no way to turn around.
and this is our campsite
when on holiday, it's all about eating the local fare...here was one of my breakfasts...a unique pan made in agua verde I decided to BBQ...delicioso
We have a tradition of buying a lamb for the family we know there and we all gather for a nice BBQ and lamb birria.
And we also take advantage of the goat lady's marvelous chivos...she told us about how the dog (see if you can find it in the photo) is raised being
nursed by the goats so he protects them.
Another favorite meal there is pargo...yummy grilled!
when it was windy one morning, instead of cruising in the panga, we visited the cave paintings nearby.
What a wonderful camping trip.....ahhhhh baja!
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Pompano
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The road is not for the timid.. but bad? Not really...just spooky in places.
shari, as you know, Agua Verde is not exactly unknown... I wouldn't worry to
much about giving out any secrets.
We first started camping there around 1980 or so and have been there a few times since. Always a great time, but not a secret Baja place at all.
Quite the contrary.
This is our campsite at Aqua Verde, winter of 1988. I believe I was the longer load with my 25ft Minnie Winnie towing a small boat.
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We beach-launched the light tin boat and had many a great fish dinner around our campfire, plus some excellent diving. Note the trailer extension for
easier beach launchings.
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We also had a visitor ...The Green Tortoise Bus. Thankfully, none of us had heard about that bad road. 
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Not really a problem getting down or up.... if you watch that one bad dropoff curve as shar's photo shows!
I know this corner only too well. Not a place to meet uncoming traffic. Send a scout to check traffic ...and enjoy the tranquily ahead.
[Edited on 4-15-2009 by Pompano]
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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Marie-Rose
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I know this corner only too well. Not a place to meet uncoming traffic. Send a scout to warm traffic ...and enjoy the tranquily ahead.
This was the spot where we ran into a herd of cattle. We came to a stop and it took a lot of inching forward until they lined up one by one against
the cliff so we could squeeze by!! At one point the horns on one of the large bulls was scraping against the side of the van
Remember, when in Mexico, yes may be no and no may be
maybe!
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Phil S
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Brother & I had visited A.V. so many times, I've forgotten how many times we'd driven it. times in a 4X4 mostly. Always in 4 w.d. coming up that
"one" spot where there was concrete poured, and the curve was 'tight' and praying no one else was coming down hell bent for an election" always
helped. Other times after heavy rains, that corner was a two or three mile an hour turn!!!!! I'd never seen the Green T. down there Sometimes when
they were there, it was parked on the right hand side at the top of the hill. Brother had sold a small Boles Aero 25' travel trailer to a Frenchman
from Point Reyes, Cal years ago, and found someone to tow it down, and install it on a soft sand beach. I think his name was George, though he
preferred to be called Jorge. and his little dog called Fi Fi (I think) who could only speak French (the dog he says)!!!! On many visits, we'd find
Jorge with no clothes on, and would have Wendy wait in the truck until he got dressed?????? (her idea not mine. I didn't care) He's always serve up a
great lunch of fresh fruit & some kind of fish. An occational trip would include a lunch at the 'village' restaurant where sometimes the lady
would send her husband to the little tienda down the street for Cokes!!!! I don't think this area is ever going to be 'over populated'. There is one
beach, very very long, that could camp an army.
Beautiful area. Maybe five years ago, a visit there, we discovered a couple new homes built on a bluff. One occupied (we got a tour from the
caretaker???) Other house above it was still in construction. The owner I believe was from Davis California. Had something to do with a huge boat
dealership. supposedly his wife didn't like it there, so maybe by now, it has a new owner. anyone familiar with the store?????
Viva la Agua Verde!!!!!!
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Skip_Mac
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Those site photos sure look similar to a place visited by Green Totroise... Definitely NOT a road for long or high loads. The nasty curve with the
poured reinforced concrete was tight with a cliff on the high side. Traffic on the road happened both times we traveled it ...and yes the Bus stayed
at the top for excellent reasons. Many other more easily accessible locations were passed closer to Loreto..
Interesting to hear a bit of the history of the houses started above the tidal lagoon. Rumor was that it was intended for a yacht harbor for the
escalante development scheme. That would have required extensive destructive dredging as it is dry twice a day.
A special area...but not reasonably accessible except by smaller vehicles. The beach was rocky...worse than I had hoped, but I guess sand is in
short supply on the SOC side.
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BAJACAT
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So much to keep this prestine baja location a secret, FOUR WHEELER magazine has 4 page article about AGUA VERDE Secrets of Baja California Part 1.
Thats also on my to do list right next to San Francisco de La Sierra.
Ps. note that article states Part 1 , so it makes you wonder, what other location will be next.
[Edited on 4-18-2009 by BAJACAT]
BAJA IS WHAT YOU WANTED TO BE, FUN,DANGEROUS,INCREDIBLE, REMOTE, EXOTIC..JUST GO AND HAVE FUN.....
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David K
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That is the Gary & Monica Wescott of the long time running Turtle Expeditions... Four Wheeling around the world. Their first 'Turtle' was a Land
Rover... they have sure discovered what works and what doesn't over the years!
I haven't subscribed to Four Wheeler in a while, what month issue is that Jose? I am getting Dirt Sports, Off Road, Jp (Jeep), and Petersen's Four
Wheel & Off Road.
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shari
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I always have mixed feelings about these wonderful places being "discovered". We have many friends that are from and live in Agua Verde and it always
saddens us to see how they are barely surviving...can barely feed their families and cry tears of gratitude when we bring them "mandado" meaning
groceries, clothes and fishing gear.
We talked alot this trip about what would help their situation and they all agree that increased visitors is what helps them most when they drop a bit
of cold cash there. The ladies sell their trinkets, shell jewellery they make and muffins etc to make ends meet and the more folks that buy this local
stuff...the better. Visitors buy stuff from the store like the awesome goat cheese...homemade food stuff and contract services for pangas, gas, ice
etc. My breakfast bread thing was outstanding!!!! Look for Martin Amador, the cop and he can get you a wonderful goat or lamb and cook it up for
you...a meal you will never forget at their humble abode...hands down THE best meals I've ever had in Baja.
So if you are going to visit, please bring them some donations of whatever...and buy their stuff...buy groceries from Dona Maria at the store and try
to spread a few pesos around the place.
[Edited on 4-18-2009 by shari]
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Cochi
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Wonderful info. Thanx to all of you for your comments and pics. The bad road was our concern. Last year, we did the road from Ensenada de Los Muertos
to el Cardonal. Our only inquiry b4 doin it was the Gigglin Marlin's bartender. He said no problem and you could make it in a two wheel drive vehicle.
It is no secret, that road was scary and I would never suggest it. Same with the road to San Eva......shhhhhhh. new thread?
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BAJACAT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
That is the Gary & Monica Wescott of the long time running Turtle Expeditions... Four Wheeling around the world. Their first 'Turtle' was a Land
Rover... they have sure discovered what works and what doesn't over the years!
I haven't subscribed to Four Wheeler in a while, what month issue is that Jose? I am getting Dirt Sports, Off Road, Jp (Jeep), and Petersen's Four
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dAVID IS THE june 2009 ISSUE...
BAJA IS WHAT YOU WANTED TO BE, FUN,DANGEROUS,INCREDIBLE, REMOTE, EXOTIC..JUST GO AND HAVE FUN.....
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jeans
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Beware of camp invaders
| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
So if you are going to visit, please bring them some donations of whatever...and buy their stuff...buy groceries from Dona Maria at the store and try
to spread a few pesos around the place.
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We had fresh lobster delivered to our camp one morning..delicious...but we had invaders that night in our camp.. Here's the accounting from 7 years
ago...
"WAKE UP...I hear something outside!" I tried to peer out of the condensation-covered windows of the camper. The moon is out and the shadows being
cast are confusing. I hear more sounds and as my eyes adjust to the light I see shadows moving about our camp. There are three of them. They have on
masks. "Huh?" is his only reply, but I'm banging on the sides of the camper to scare them away. I finally open the door yelling at the intruders and I
see...yes there are three of them running away... their ringed tails disappearing into the night.....
Mom always told me to be different - Now she says...Not THAT different
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