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larryC
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Mexican fish and game laws?
Does anyone know where I can get a printed or a downloadable copy of the current fish and game regulations?
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Larry, here's the link in San Diego www.conapescasandiego.org
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Osprey
Thanks for the link, but the regulations on that link seem too short and incomplete, which is what I usually run into. It is basically someones
interpretation of what the regulations are. I want to see the complete list of regulations. About 10 years ago I was visiting with Abraham at camp
gecko and he had a booklet of mexican fishing regulations printed by the Mex government. It was printed in '92 so I am sure regs have changed since
then alot but I can't find an official booklet of all the regs.
Larry
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Larry, I have the same book. CONAPESCA in San Diego in the link I gave you shows the current fishing regulations for the country of Mexico and pal
that's as good as it's gonna get. All the local BS is local BS, one marlin per boat, catch all the squid you want, forget about the limits for dorado,
roosters, sabalo = you are gonna eat it. That's all you need. The rest is all hearsay. Check PESCA, Mexfish and all the authorities but you're looking
for particulars where there are only generalizations except for the big green book which has not yet been changed by Mexican Congress since the
official diary on the 25th of June 1992. Doubt the source? The book is in my left hand and I'm typing with my right.
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All I am saying is that the way those regs are presented on that link seems to leave out alot of detail. For instance, is it legal to use treble
hooks? Are there size limits for different species? As I remember reading that pamflet that you have there was a section about being a "resident of
the beach" and if you were then you didn't need any permits or licenses. Also it stated, as I remember, that you could take pretty much anything you
wanted as long as it was for your consumption. I don't remember if it said that you had to be fishing from the beach just that you had to be a
"resident of the beach". Do you see that section in there? So no I don't doubt the source I just want to see the complete regulations.
Larry
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Here ya go:
www.oeidrus-jalisco.gob.mx/jalisco/docs/serv/norm/NOM-017-PE...
(you'll need adobe reader)
Section 4 of this document (Spanish) outlines the regs. The regs have not changed since 1994 for sportfishing limits. Types of equipment, hooks etc
are outlined in this section.
I was just skimming the document and it states that fishing from the shoreline (tierra or land) doesn't require a permit. I am not seeing anything
about "residents of the playa", unless I'm missing something.
It would be a good idea to have a printed copy of this with you to show to officials who may be mis-interpreting the law. 
[Edited on 4-16-2009 by flyfishinPam]
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I found this. http://www.bajaquest.com/fishing/rules.htm
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"In ocean waters and estuaries the limit is a total of ten fish per day, with no more than 5 catches of a single specie, except of the species of
Marlin, Sailfish, Swordfish and Shark, of which only one specimen of either is allowed, and which counts a five toward the overall 10 fish limit, or
Dorado, Roosterfish, Shad, or Tarpon, of which only two samples of each specie are allowed, and which count a five toward the overall 10 fish
limit.***
[*** Note: As explained by the Department of Fisheries office in San Diego, this means that if you catch 1 marlin (5 points) and 1 dorado (5 points),
you have reached your limit for the day.
Other examples of full Mexican limits would be: 2 dorado; 1 dorado plus 5 miscellaneous species; or, 1 roosterfish plus 1 dorado.-- B.A.R.]"
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So, that clears up everything!
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it makes much more sense in Spanish. This nearly direct translation makes it sound confusing but that would be totally logical to a Spanish speaker.
Here's my interpretation
you get to catch ten permitted kind of fish a day
you can't catch any more than five of the same species in one day
if you catch two dorado (or roosterfish or tarpon), that's like catching five of a permitted species
if you catch one shark, or a beaked fish (sailfish, swordfish, marlin, spearfish) they count as your five fish AND you can't catch more than ONE of
these under a sport permit
so for example:
five yellowtail and five tuna is your daily limit
one shark and five yellowtail is your limit
one sailfish and five cabrilla you're done fishing
two cabrilla, five yellowtail, a triggerfish and two pargo you're done keeping fish for the day
no turtles are allowed
no totauaba are allowed
no mossusks
only fin fish allowed
got it?
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Don Alley
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| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
...if you catch two dorado (or roosterfish or tarpon), that's like catching five of a permitted species...
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That's my interpretation too. But the interpretation from Conapesca, is that while you are allowed a maximum of two dorado, or roosters, EACH ONE
counts as FIVE:
| Quote: | | Other examples of full Mexican limits would be: 2 dorado; 1 dorado plus 5 miscellaneous species; or, 1 roosterfish plus 1 dorado
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My interpretation would be that you could take two dorado (= 5 fish) and five pargo,or two roosterfish and two dorado, which seems to be in line with
Pam's. The question is, what is the interpretation of the local Profepa guy?
Just thought I'd pitch in to make things a little less clear.
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Is this a joke topic or what? Catching over the limit? How 'bout catching
anything?
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I thought it said that dorado=5 fish...so if you got 2 dorado, you are done fishing and cant take any other fish cause you have your 10 limit with 2
dorado...am I mistaken??
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Don Alley
That's my interpretation too. But the interpretation from Conapesca, is that while you are allowed a maximum of two dorado, or roosters, EACH ONE
counts as FIVE:
| Quote: | | Other examples of full Mexican limits would be: 2 dorado; 1 dorado plus 5 miscellaneous species; or, 1 roosterfish plus 1 dorado
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My interpretation would be that you could take two dorado (= 5 fish) and five pargo,or two roosterfish and two dorado, which seems to be in line with
Pam's. The question is, what is the interpretation of the local Profepa guy?
Just thought I'd pitch in to make things a little less clear.
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Print up the Spanish version, the first link I posted its a PDF file and keep in in your boat. show it to them if they refer to anything other than
whats in print.
a dorado is FIVE fish. And One marlin is like five fish too but unlike the case of dorado you can only have one not two.
I am sorry each of dorado, roosterfish or tarpon counts as FIVE. crap I'm confused too!
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Hey Pam...looks like it says that free diving fishing you can use a "hand spear" ...is this a hawaiin sling that I thought was illegal to use??? I
thought you had to use a spear gun...but hand spear sounds like a sling to me.
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You're all getting a little closer:
Hawaian slings are the only kind of spear you can use -- only rubber band type, no compressed gas type.
Two dorado count as one billfish or a limit of single species fish --- UNANSWERED QUESTION !!!!! WHAT DOES ONE DORADO COUNT FOR? I have asked all the
Pesca people that and we all have a good laugh. I will keep on laughing forever since yesterday one of our local cruisers caught 17 dorado and when
the clients were worried about the limit the captain said "There's no limits like the federal limits here in East Cape. Don't worry about it."
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answer!
1 dorado = DINNER!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
1 dorado = DINNER! |
It all makes sense now.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
Hey Pam...looks like it says that free diving fishing you can use a "hand spear" ...is this a hawaiin sling that I thought was illegal to use??? I
thought you had to use a spear gun...but hand spear sounds like a sling to me. |
Hawaiin slings are legal; such as Mr. Gypsy's and Tio's.
Also rubber banded spear guns are legal.
Pnuematics spear guns or firearms (bang sticks) are illegal.
This according to the folks that boarded my boat 2 years ago.
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Hi guys and Shari
Long time no email. I remember that when Gypsy was down that he was worried about the Bahama sling being illegal and a regular powered spear gun
being legal. Someone thought that with powered speargun that you lose less fish that are injured. It did not make sense to me at the time, but who
was I to argue. Everywhere else that we have been, Bahamas etc., its only the Bahamas sling that is legal and not the powered gun when snorkelling.
Shari, since Gypsy is on the way down, remember his Bahamas sling is in our storage area. So he may want to use it this time.
Cheers all.
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A Hawaiian sling? Bahama sling? They're both pole spears powered by large rubber tube/bands. It's dawning on me that the fishing is better on the
Pacific side than in the Sea of Cortez. 
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