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805gregg
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Cruise ships
Another hit to Baja and mainland Mexico, no more cruise ships to stop in Mexico. As a land based tourist, I like it. But for those that depend the
cruise ship tourists, a tuff time ahead.
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flyfishinPam
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good, their damned diesel engines scare the sardinas away
many who depend on the cruise ship industry are affiliated with the cruise lines themselves, they rarely use local service providers
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nobaddays
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WHAT !!!!!!!!!!!
Cruise ships bring in hugh dollars to Cabo San Lucas. Hell they pay near $25,000.00 on average just to dock !!
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oldjack
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cruise ships do not dock in Cabo.... they anchor out in the harbor... from what I have seen... are you saying they pay $25k for that!?!?!?!?
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bajabound2005
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The Paradise is sitting out in the bay at Ensenada right now; yesterday the Elation did the same thing. It's going to kill a lot of businesses and
hurt a lot of locals. I wouldn't want to be a passenger on one of those ships, or worse yet, an employee taking the brunt of the disgruntled
passengers.
Friends don't let friends drink white zinfandel.
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nobaddays
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Yes that is what I mean. The marina is to small to tie up. Cruise ship dock or anchor off Medana beach. The more you pay, the closer to the marina.
Not uncommon to pay $35,000.00
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabound2005
It's going to kill a lot of businesses and hurt a lot of locals. |
Especially La Buffadora
Bob Durrell
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Osprey
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I think the moorage in San Lucas is in that range but the real problem was one that Mexico has faced for ages: Who can we trust to collect some kinds
of fee? For example the beach caretakers. Most of those who sell licenses or permits, immigration and more. Every department that has a clave number
for direct bank deposits indicates the problem with collection.
So for the ships the hangup was: Can we get the ships to pay the $5 dollars passenger tax and collect from the passenger? No? Then, can we have them
all form a line and pay one at a time (3,000 passengers)? Can we have ten lines with ten collectors? Should we only take pesos? Dollars? Who gets to
keep the money? Should we charge Ryndam more than Disney? The problem is and has always been paypoint and security. I predict one dollar T-shirt sales
all over Mexico until they run out.
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Bajahowodd
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Unfortunately for Ensenada, the cruise passenger business was the only thing holding up in the way of tourism. Land visitors have been way down and
ever decreasing for well over a year. But let's not forget that there are a host of other ships that visit Mazatlan, Puerto Vallarta, even Acapulco,
La Paz and Topolobampo.
As for the Cabo anchorage thing, my understanding is that where a ship anchors has more to do with the current tidal conditions than anything else.
Ships are charged per passenger. So a 1200 passenger ship will pay less than a 3,000 passenger ship. There is also a variation in charges depending on
whether the old passenger dock is used versus the newer one that was funded by the owners of the Paraiso Mall. Anyway, that's what I was told.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabound2005
The Paradise is sitting out in the bay at Ensenada right now; yesterday the Elation did the same thing. It's going to kill a lot of businesses and
hurt a lot of locals. I wouldn't want to be a passenger on one of those ships, or worse yet, an employee taking the brunt of the disgruntled
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Just saw your post, Kathleen. At the moment, one is leaving and another is docked in the harbor. Guess they didn't get the message.
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Cypress
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Yea, The Alaskan EPA was all over the Cruise Ship industry for dumping sewage(treated?) in sensitive areas. Do the math. They're floating hotel/
casinos. Lots of people. Lots of waste water.
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bajabound2005
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The Golden Princess came in, sat in the bay for a couple of hours and then hightailed it out of here.
Friends don't let friends drink white zinfandel.
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DENNIS
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I heard that the ships are only making port, probably to qualify for the gambling license, but not off-loading passengers. Could be true as I havn't
seen or heard the tour buses going by my house.
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LB
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Cnn reported that Cabo cruise ships will be diverted.  Also public
gatherings MAY (AGAIN MAY) not be allowed . Such as what has happened in Mexico City. A local mayor has said it MAY (again MAY) be imposed in our
areas of Baja. Not Rumor but Straight from the Mayors mouth.
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bajabound2005
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Well, wait just a second. Looks the Paradise docked after all!
Friends don't let friends drink white zinfandel.
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Bajahowodd
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I read a blog this morning from someone who is in the travel industry and was aboard a princess ship. The Captain made an announcement that they would
be making a "technical" call on Cabo; that no passengers would be going ashore. Since there is no cruise ship dock there to begin with, whereas in
Ensenada, there is, the "technical' call could be for any thing such as buying batteries, tequila, even fuel. In fact, I've seen staff members leave
ship at or near their home when their time was up.
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David K
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Per the morning news: They're coming to San Diego instead! Good for the local economy here!
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Bajahowodd
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Nothing like an exotic port of call!
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David K
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Yup... and no 'time share pimps' either!
Zoo (largest in the world), Sea World, Wild Animal Park, Horton Plaza, Coronado, honest cops, and you're innocent until proven guilty!
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Don Alley
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 805gregg
Another hit to Baja and mainland Mexico, no more cruise ships to stop in Mexico. As a land based tourist, I like it. But for those that depend the
cruise ship tourists, a tuff time ahead. |
I've heard this news before,and as far as I'm concerned, it's too good to be true.
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