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Tourist murdered in Tecate
An American family on its way back to the US from Ensenada stopped to eat in Tecate. A person dressed like a cholo stole the wife's purse. The husband
took pursuit. The cholo drew a pisto and killed him, wounding another person. The family lived in El Cajon. The dead man was Esteban Ramírez Cuevas,
34 yers old. He was traveling with his wife and three children.
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Dave
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Hate to be blunt but...
Esteban Ramírez Cuevas wasn't a tourist.
Now...if his name was Steve Rogers 
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Von
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I thought a tourist was someone who didnt live in the area they are visiting? What do they call them then?
That sucks knowing myself id probably would of done the same stupid mistake chased after him too.
READY SET.....................
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
Esteban Ramírez Cuevas wasn't a tourist.
Now...if his name was Steve Rogers |
Thank you Dave,
I too have noticed that most of the targets have hispanic surnames.
Most criminals prey on their own race, as also happened to the four kids killed in the van in tj.
An interesting social perspective that is also born out in the US.
CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Von
I thought a tourist was someone who didnt live in the area they are visiting? What do they call them then?
That sucks knowing myself id probably would of done the same stupid mistake chased after him too. |
NEVER take a knife to a gunfight ...
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He never knew it was a gun fight when he was with his family.
READY SET.....................
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Sadly- this is Calderons plan. He wanted to break the big gangs into smaller units the local police could manage. Only they cant handle the job- and
really don't want it. You will see more lawlessness and crimes of opportunity as drug profits get squeezed. As I've said before many times- it is
the Mexican people who will pay the price for this war- if not through direct robbery, extortions, kidnapping or by the loss of their incomes- then by
loss of income from decreased tourism caused by the same factors.
[Edited on 5-16-2009 by Woooosh]
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The purse snatchers will kill you over pocket change. The cartel dudes will kill you and your family if you get crossed up with 'em and usually it's a
tad more than the contents of a womens purse. You're dead either way. The free-lance
purse snatchers pose more of a threat to the average person.
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That was my main rule when I took my friend Jenny down to Baja. Leave your purse in the room or car! She had a hard time with that, but I assured
her about the possible consequences. Why do women carry them anyway?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
The purse snatchers will kill you over pocket change. The cartel dudes will kill you and your family if you get crossed up with 'em and usually it's a
tad more than the contents of a womens purse. You're dead either way.The free-lance
purse snatchers pose more of a threat to the average person. |
The money that used to "trickle down" to the street thugs from the narcos is gone. That's my point. This is the new normal as the street criminals
look for cash from victims instead workig a "job" for the narcos who presumably can't move as much drugs right now (as they still find border tunnels
every few months). Do you think all the people who count on money from the narcos over the years is just going to go without that income when there
are plenty of pigeons around? Fat chance.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Woooosh- Your theory may be right. But until I see a long term pattern, not so sure. First, this crime happens all over the world. Could have happened
in Long Beach. I really cannot imagine every punk and street thug being somehow supported by the cartels.(previously)
Second, the Mexican economy is really strained, between the big drop in tourism, the recession, and then the flu. In such times, no matter the
country, crime does rise.
We do know that the cartel violence was getting way out of hand. We know that it has moderated significantly. (by the way, your critique of Calderone-
exactly how would you do it differently?)
Over the past several months, there have been a number of crimes discussed. There was the meat truck driver, the pizza guy, a disappearance of a teen
(possibly unrelated to Baja), then recently the dead kids in the van. In the case of several crimes, there's been speculation that the victims were
complicit in that they were involved in illegal activity.
I can't state with absolute certainty that I would not have chased after the guy. But, intellectually, I realize the possibility of harm should
dissuade me. Just about the entire contents of the purse is replaceable. Life is not.
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Dave
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That was NOT my point
| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
Esteban Ramírez Cuevas wasn't a tourist.
Now...if his name was Steve Rogers |
Thank you Dave,
I too have noticed that most of the targets have hispanic surnames.
Most criminals prey on their own race, as also happened to the four kids killed in the van in tj.
An interesting social perspective that is also born out in the US.
CaboRon |
Steve Rogers would have made the front page of USA Today and CNN.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
Esteban Ramírez Cuevas wasn't a tourist.
Now...if his name was Steve Rogers |
Thank you Dave,
I too have noticed that most of the targets have hispanic surnames.
Most criminals prey on their own race, as also happened to the four kids killed in the van in tj.
An interesting social perspective that is also born out in the US.
CaboRon |
Steve Rogers would have made the front page of USA Today and CNN. |
Who is Steve Rogers ??
I don't think that is Mr. Rogers first name 
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Racist do live in Baja
I can't believe these comments. For your racist mind ponder this? When I went thru MCRD my platoon had several Hispanics and they died in Vietnam for
the USA.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Woooosh- Your theory may be right. But until I see a long term pattern, not so sure. First, this crime happens all over the world. Could have happened
in Long Beach. I really cannot imagine every punk and street thug being somehow supported by the cartels.(previously)
Second, the Mexican economy is really strained, between the big drop in tourism, the recession, and then the flu. In such times, no matter the
country, crime does rise.
We do know that the cartel violence was getting way out of hand. We know that it has moderated significantly. (by the way, your critique of Calderone-
exactly how would you do it differently?)
Over the past several months, there have been a number of crimes discussed. There was the meat truck driver, the pizza guy, a disappearance of a teen
(possibly unrelated to Baja), then recently the dead kids in the van. In the case of several crimes, there's been speculation that the victims were
complicit in that they were involved in illegal activity.
I can't state with absolute certainty that I would not have chased after the guy. But, intellectually, I realize the possibility of harm should
dissuade me. Just about the entire contents of the purse is replaceable. Life is not. |
All good points. I don't think people realize how many Billions of dollars trickle down from drug gangs to normal people in the course of daily life.
It's truly the invisible hand that feeds Mexico. This is how criminals in every third world environment win trust and cooperation among the poor.
You're not seeing Mexicans turing in their neighborhood narcos for the huge rewards- you are seeing them stay quiet until the gov't evcentually
cacthes them on their own. A rural Catholic Archbishop recently stated that the only ones who didn't know the top narcos was hiding inhis area was
the gov't.
As far as what would I have done different from Calderon? He is fighting the right fight but he underestimated the lack of ability, integrity and
support of the police, military and judicial systems. Truly. He went to war without an army. He should have known his own team better before taking
the field. He neede a few years of backgroungd work and skill buildingbefore launchinghis assault IMHO. He has only swatted the hornets nest.
In reality mnay forces are at work. Coke is now going for twice as much on the street in Spain as in the USA- so the latin ameircan gangs are
bypassing the Mexico/USA route altogether right now. It's messy and not as prorfitable. It also makes it look like Calderon is making more progress
than he is. JMHO of course.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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Get over it Bronco AKA "I see racism everywhere". You're song and dance has gotten old and mouldy.
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I love it. Adam Smith and Wealth of Nations makes it into the Narco wars. He introduced the "invisible hand" concept in the late late 1700's.
Basically if you work hard you make the world a better place.
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Dave
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What 'rewards'?
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
You're not seeing Mexicans turing in their neighborhood narcos for the huge rewards |
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WOW....This thread has gone a long way from some guy trying to get back his wife's purse to ultimo racismo. What happened to the heart and soul of
this joint? I give Hero Status to the guy for having the balls to make the effort. Isn't that worth something here?
Think about it, all you self-serving piles of crap, who think your whiskey logic trumps the feelings of the mans wife and kids.
You people embarrase[sp] me with your prioritys.
How lost you try to be.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
You're not seeing Mexicans turing in their neighborhood narcos for the huge rewards |
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Yeah. Getting money you can't live long enough to spend isn't much of a reward is it? Many of the narcos have multi-million dollar bounties on them.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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