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CaboRon
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Corruption Permeates ALL Levels of Police in Mexico
Mexican police accused of protecting drug cartel
By ALEXANDRA OLSON, The Associated Press 7:21 p.m. May 17, 2009
MEXICO CITY — Three police officers and two other men were arrested on suspicion of working for a drug cartel in central Mexico, federal authorities
said Sunday. A former state security chief and the police chief of a state capital were detained for questioning.
Investigators uncovered the alleged police corruption ring after the arrest earlier this month of 14 alleged members of the Beltran Leyva drug cartel
in Cuernavaca, the capital of Morelos state, the Public Safety Department said in a statement.
The head of the Morelos police vehicle recovery unit was arrested for allegedly selling stolen cars and auto parts to the cartel, the statement said,
while a former state police officer was arrested on suspicion of serving as a hit man.
Two Cuernavaca municipal police officers were accused of stealing cars and kidnapping for the Beltran Leyva gang, and a fifth suspect was also
arrested as an alleged hit man.
Federal police came under fire as they raided a Cuernavaca building where four of the suspects were arrested Saturday, the department said. Police
confiscated several weapons inside along with a banner bearing an unspecified message for President Felipe Calderon.
Federal investigators are questioning former Morelos state Public Safety Secretary Luis Angel Cabeza de Vaca Rodriguez and Cuernavaca police chief
Francisco Sanchez Gonzalez, according to an Attorney General's Office press officer. The official, who could not be named because of agency policy,
declined to provide further details.
Officials at the Public Safety Department could not be reached for further comment.
Corruption permeates all levels of police in Mexico,
a major obstacle to Calderon's U.S.-backed campaign to crush brutal drug gangs. Calderon insists he is cracking down: Last year, his government
rooted out more than two dozen high-level government security officials, including a former drug czar, who were allegedly paid to protect the Sinaloa
cartel.
On Saturday, the governor of Zacatecas, another central state, said prison guards were likely complicit in the escape of 53 inmates, including at
least 27 with links to the Gulf cartel. About 20 gunmen freed the prisoners in a raid that lasted just five minutes.
Calderon has sent more than 45,000 soldiers to combat drug gangs, although the army has also been accused of abuses in the offensive.
Drug violence has killed more than 10,750 in the last 2 1/2 years.
Cabeza de Vaca had held his post until last week, but the statement from the Morelos government described him as the ex-public safety chief.
The brief statement said only that it was up to federal authorities to give information on their legal status, and that the Morelos government was
cooperating with the investigation.
It was unclear if Sanchez had been removed as police chief. Local newspapers reported that he had been fired. The Morelos government statement said
only that Mayor Roque Gonzalez had temporarily taken the reigns of the city police force in Cuernavaca, the Morelos state capital.
Phones rang unanswered Sunday at Morelos government offices. Cuernavaca city officials also could not be reached for comment.
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Bajajack
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I would have to go one step further and say Corruption encompasses a large majority of the mexican population, it's part of their culture.
\"take what you can, give nothing back!\"
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the
American people.\'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
We can have no \"50-50\" allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.
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The corruption is internal, they export the illiterate to endanger us (for you Ron)...
http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/localnews/investi...
"News 8 Investigates: Airline mechanics who can't read English"
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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surfer jim
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Sort of backs up the idea of police chief that may be in charge of stealing vehicles and then selling them back to the origional owners.....
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajajack
I would have to go one step further and say Corruption encompasses a large majority of the mexican population, it's part of their culture.
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And which of your dead brain cells came up with this brilliant statement.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for,
but while we are here we might as well dance.
Hey Ron,
Do they have life music or just disco at you trailerpark.
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Taxation at the local level = mordida
Richard on the Hill
*ABROAD*, adj. At war with savages and idiots. To be a Frenchman abroad is to
be miserable; to be an American abroad is to make others miserable.
-- Ambrose Bierce, _The Enlarged Devil\'s Dictionary_
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rpleger
Taxation at the local level = mordida |
Except those "taxes" never go to repairs or enriching the general good ..... they line the pockets of the corrupt , and so continue the decline of
the infrastructure.
Of course, they can be forgiven each week at the confessional ..... much like the cartel members who think the saints protect them ..... the legacy
of the Catholic teachings  A church responsible for more mass murder than even
Hitler was able to achive.
And Van, I just signed a lease on a luxery condo in a city that has more live entertainment than perhaps any city in the good ol' USA
And where did you learn to spell anyway Sounds like you are the trailer trash.
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The Gull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
And Van, I just signed a lease on a luxery condo
And where did you learn to spell anyway Sounds like you are the trailer trash.
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Fascinating. Just fascinating. LUXERY and Cabron is the enstructure for this inglish clas. Mickey Mouse.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
And Van, I just signed a lease on a luxery condo
And where did you learn to spell anyway Sounds like you are the trailer trash.
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Fascinating. Just fascinating. LUXERY and Cabron is the enstructure for this inglish clas. Mickey Mouse. |
Very funny, I actually receive a modest pension after fifteen years working for Disney Entertainment Producions .... So, I know the mouse well ....
mixed audio for him many times
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Ron I have the solution to solving the problem of corruption in Mexico.
This solution will resolve the problem within one year.
Death penalty to all public officials, government, politicos, funcionarios, teachers, federales, immigration, etc. who are caught red handed in acts
of corruption. You get caught and without a doubt you have performed an act of corruption, you die. Case closed, next!
All acts of corruption are acts of treason. Treason is punishable by death. period.
Government is the worst offender and they set the example for others.
So get caught, you die.
It will be difficult to not get caught as the public will be armed with their cell phones capable of video recordings, hidden cameras, publicly
organized sting operations, citizen arrests, etc.
These death penalties ought to be televised a la George Carlin's idea.
Now how do we get started? I'd run for president but I'm only naturalized so I figure maybe my husband can be president and I can be that strong wife
behind him.
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Part of the problem or part of the solution????
This topic goes around and around on the Nomads board.
If you pay mordita, you are part of the problem. You continue to feed a bad habit and it doesn't go away, it just continues.
Either take the ticket, pay the fine and get a receipt or go see the chief of police or judge.......or do both.
Stand your ground. Yeah, it wil take some time, but this is one little way to break the cycle.
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Mordita exists only because some people are willing to pay it. I have never experienced mordita, only because I have refused to pay. I have been
stopped for traffic violations probably 6 times in 40 years of driving in Baja. Two of those times I was guilty and paid the fine to a judge with
receipt. Total fines were about 300 pesos for the two infractions. The other 4 times, I did not commit the alleged infraction, refused to pay the
cop on the street and he reluctantly sent me on my way.
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shari
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I dont think many people who dont live here full time fully understand what mordidas really are. Yes, true, they are often associated with traffic
issues but it is also a cultural reality that one is confronted with on a daily basis.
Mexico is full of tramites and paperwork, red tape etc. and in order to get anything done regarding permits, titles etc....well dont hold your breath
unless you are offering "incentives" to someone to get your papers to the top of the heap. They can be called "favors" but if ya dont offer
them...well...your stuff just goes to the bottom of the pile. It isnt a matter of being willing to offer it...it is more like are you willing NOT to
get anywhere on your paperwork...or go ahead and send over that bottle of scotch to the official and be done with it. although I certainly dont agree
with the system...we have to deal with the system and how it works.
So I will continue to buy the garbage guys or the village secretaries a soda as an incentive for better service and to show them I appreciate their
work....it is not a mordida, but a thank you for services rendered. No you dont HAVE to do it but it sure helps when you need to get something done.
It isnt necessarily money exchanged either...anyway...if Pam's Plan is implimented...hmmm...there sure would be alot of job openings and the
undertakers would cash in big time.
It is so difficult to address this issue as it is so widespread on all levels of society. I do understand it better now though and have learned to
accept it and not be angry. i would love to see it change and I guess baby steps are the only way to go...it will take forever but ya gotta start
somewhere.
[Edited on 5-20-2009 by shari]
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CaboRon
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How can you possibly roll over and accept coruption ...
You are then part of the problem...
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Bajajack
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
I dont think many people who dont live here full time fully understand what mordidas really are. Yes, true, they are often associated with traffic
issues but it is also a cultural reality that one is confronted with on a daily basis.
Mexico is full of tramites and paperwork, red tape etc. and in order to get anything done regarding permits, titles etc....well dont hold your breath
unless you are offering "incentives" to someone to get your papers to the top of the heap. They can be called "favors" but if ya dont offer
them...well...your stuff just goes to the bottom of the pile. It isnt a matter of being willing to offer it...it is more like are you willing NOT to
get anywhere on your paperwork...or go ahead and send over that bottle of scotch to the official and be done with it. although I certainly dont agree
with the system...we have to deal with the system and how it works.
So I will continue to buy the garbage guys or the village secretaries a soda as an incentive for better service and to show them I appreciate their
work....it is not a mordida, but a thank you for services rendered. No you dont HAVE to do it but it sure helps when you need to get something done.
It isnt necessarily money exchanged either...anyway...if Pam's Plan is implimented...hmmm...there sure would be alot of job openings and the
undertakers would cash in big time.
It is so difficult to address this issue as it is so widespread on all levels of society. I do understand it better now though and have learned to
accept it and not be angry. i would love to see it change and I guess baby steps are the only way to go...it will take forever but ya gotta start
somewhere.
[Edited on 5-20-2009 by shari] |
So what you're saying is what I've been saying all along, mexicans are
basically dishonest,.
An honest person would not expect nor accept a bribe for doing what they've already been paid to do, nuff said.
\"take what you can, give nothing back!\"
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the
American people.\'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
We can have no \"50-50\" allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.
Theodore Roosevelt
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danaeb
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So the fun time has moved from offi-topic to this forum. Can we set up a discussion thread - the "I hate Mexico and Mexicans" discussion group?
Experience enables you to recognize a mistake every time you repeat it.
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by danaeb
So the fun time has moved from offi-topic to this forum. Can we set up a discussion thread - the "I hate Mexico and Mexicans" discussion group?
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It's the Circle of Life ....
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rpleger
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| Quote: | | An honest person would not expect nor accept a bribe for doing what they've already been paid to do, nuff said. |
Just like our congressmen in the Homeland....I think that I would rather pay locally...
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*ABROAD*, adj. At war with savages and idiots. To be a Frenchman abroad is to
be miserable; to be an American abroad is to make others miserable.
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I guess it's not seen as a bribe...but more like an incentive. The root of the problem is they dont get paid diddley squat so any little gift is
appreciated. If the normal honest person was paid what they deserve...well...things would be different I'm sure.
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