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Mitt Romney's cousin kidnapped in Mexico
Meredith Romney, the LDS leader in Chihuahua, was kidnapped today by masked gunmen. Meredith is a cousin of Mitt Romney, the former Republican
candidate for the U.S. presidency in the 2008 elections.
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Had not heard that news, but there is a strong Baja connection...
Some of the original Mormon "multi-family" folks from Chihuahua are now living just over the hill from San Vicente.
They have a little colony there, not sure if the spousal ratios are in proper proportion, but they are living there.
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Maybe now we'll find out what that 'magic underware' thing is all about
Or not. 
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Or not. |
Temple garment
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Temple garment circa 1879 (GSR 1879).In some denominations of the Latter Day Saint movement, the temple garment (also referred to as garments, or
Mormon underwear)[1] is worn as a religious vesture beneath the clothing of those who have taken part in the Endowment ceremony. Garments are worn
both day and night and are required for any previously endowed adult to enter a church temple.[2] The undergarments are viewed as a symbolic reminder
of the sacred covenants made in temple ceremonies, and are viewed as an either symbolic or literal source of protection from the evils of the
world.[3]
The garment is given as part of the washing and anointing portion of the endowment. Today, the temple garment is worn primarily by members of The
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) and by members of some Mormon fundamentalist churches. Adherents consider them to be sacred
and some may be offended by public discussion of the garment. Anti-Mormon activists have occasionally publicly displayed or defaced temple garments to
show their opposition to the LDS Church.[4]
Contents [hide]
1 19th century garments and original symbolism
2 Post-19th century modifications by the LDS Church
3 LDS Church teachings on use
4 Purpose
5 Latter-day Saint views as to sacredness
6 See also
7 References
8 Notes
9 External links
[edit] 19th century garments and original symbolism
In the 19th century, the temple garment was a one-piece undergarment extending to the ankles and the wrists, resembling a union suit, with an open
crotch and a collar. It was made of unbleached cotton, and was held together with ties in a double knot. The garment had four marks that were snipped
into the cloth as part of the original Nauvoo Endowment ceremony.[5] These marks were a reverse-L-shaped symbol on the right breast, a V-shaped symbol
on the left breast, and horizontal marks at the navel and over the right knee. These cuts were later replaced by embroidered symbols. According to
generally-accepted Mormon doctrine, the marks in the garments are sacred symbols.[6] One proposed element of the symbolism, according to early Mormon
leaders, was a link to the Square and Compasses, the symbols of freemasonry,[7] to which Joseph Smith, Jr. had been initiated about seven weeks prior
to his introduction of the Endowment ceremony.[8] Thus, the V-shaped symbol on the left breast was referred to as "The Compasses", while the
reverse-L-shaped symbol on the right breast was referred to by early church leaders as "The Square".[9] According to an explanation by LDS Church
President John Taylor in 1883, the "Square" represents "the justice and fairness of our Heavenly Father, that we will receive all the good that is
coming to us or all that we earn, on a square deal", and the "Compasses" represents "the North Star".[10] In addition to the Square and Compasses,
Taylor described the other symbols as follows: the collar represented the idea that the Lord's "yoke is easy and [his] burden is light", or the "Crown
of the Priesthood"; the double-knotted strings represented "the Trinity" and "the marriage covenant"; the navel mark represents "strength in the navel
and marrow in the bones"; and the knee mark represents "that every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is the Christ".[11]
An alternative explanation was given in 1936 by then-LDS Church apostle David O. McKay, whose explanation was incorporated into the LDS Church's
20th-century version of the Endowment ceremony.[12] According to McKay's explanation of the ceremony, the "mark of the Compass" represents "an
undeviating course leading to eternal life; a constant reminder that desires, appetites, and passions are to be kept within the bounds the Lord has
set; and that all truth may be circumscribed into one great whole"; the "mark of the Square" represents "exactness and honor" in keeping the
commandments and covenants of God; the navel mark represents "the need of constant nourishment to body and spirit"; and the "knee mark" represents
"that every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus is the Christ".[13] Unlike Taylor, McKay did not describe the symbolism of the
collar or the tie-strings because those elements of the garment had been eliminated in 1922.[14]
[edit] Post-19th century modifications by the LDS Church
Post-1979 two-piece temple garments end just above the knee for both sexes. Women's garment have a rounded or sweetheart neckline with cap sleeves.
Male tops are available in tee-shirt styles.[15]For several decades, the original 19th-century garment pattern, which had become standardized in the
1840s, was understood within Mormon doctrine as being unalterable. In 1906, LDS Church President Joseph F. Smith characterized as a "greivous sin" any
attempt, in the name of changing fashion trends, to modify the 1840s garment pattern, which he characterized as "sacred, unchanged, and unaltered from
the very pattern in which God gave them."[16] However, while the original pattern of the garment is still in use by some Mormon fundamentalists, over
the years, the LDS Church has modernized the original pattern, which is no longer in use.
In 1923, a letter from LDS Church President Heber J. Grant to stake and temple presidents, stated that after careful and prayerful consideration it
was unanimously decided by the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of the LDS Church, that the following modifications would be
permitted to the garments: sleeve to elbow, leg just below knee, buttons instead of strings, collar eliminated, crotch closed.[17] Other changes were
made after 1923 which shortened the sleeves and legs more and eliminated buttons.
In the 1930s, the LDS Church built Beehive Clothing Mills which manufactured and sold the garments leading to a more standardized design. During this
time women's garments were one-piece designs that ended just above the knees and had a cap sleeve. In 1970s, the first two-piece garment became
available and Mormons generally accepted the change with enthusiasm.[18] Today garments are made in both styles with a variety of different fabrics.
Feminine styles are sold with either a rounded or a sweetheart neckline with cap sleeves. Sweetheart necklines usually follow the line of the bra,
which is worn over the garment. There are also two styles of necklines for men. Endowed church members can purchase garments produced by Beehive at
distribution centers worldwide. Garments can also be ordered through the mail. They are sold at a moderate price that is assumed to be near cost.[19]
In order to purchase temple garments, a valid temple recommend (or its serial bar code number) must be presented.[citation needed]
In 1893, the church expressed an official preference for the color white, and since then they are white by default. However, desert sand-colored
garments may be purchased for military use, and members may submit regulation military T-shirts of any color to the church for custom addition of the
symbolic markings.[20]
[edit] LDS Church teachings on use
The LDS Church instructs its members who have been endowed to wear temple garments during the day and during the night.[21] Members are told that they
should not partially or completely remove the garment to participate in activities that can "reasonably be done with the garment worn properly beneath
the clothing".[21] When necessary, the garment may be temporarily removed, but members are told that after the activity "they should put it back on as
soon as possible."[21] Swimming is given as an example of an activity that would justify removal of the garment.[21]
Garment wearers are also instructed that they should not adjust the garment or wear it in a way that would accommodate the wearing of what the church
considers to be immodest clothing[21] (which includes uncovering areas of the body that would normally be covered by the garment, such as the
shoulders and lower thighs). Members are instructed to keep garments clean and mended and to refrain from displaying it or exposing it to the view of
others who may not understand its significance.[21] Prior to the disposal of old garments, members are instructed to cut out the markings on
them.[1][22] After the marks are removed, "the fabric is not considered sacred" and the garment fabric may be cut up and discarded or used for other
purposes.[1][22]
[edit] Purpose
According to the LDS Church, the wearing of temple garments serves a number of purposes. First, the garment provides the wearer with "a constant
reminder" of the covenants made in the temple. Second, the garment "provides protection against temptation and evil". Finally, wearing the garment is
"an outward expression of an inward commitment" to follow Jesus Christ.[21] General authority Carlos E. Asay adds that the garment "strengthens the
wearer to resist temptation, fend off evil influences, and stand firmly for the right."[23]
The nature of the protection believed to be afforded by temple garments is ambiguous and varies between adherents.[24] Researchers who interviewed a
sample of Latter-day Saints who wear the temple garment reported that virtually all wearers expressed a belief that wearing the garment provided
"spiritual protection" and encouraged them to keep their covenants.[24] Some of those interviewed "asserted that the garment also provided physical
protection, while others seemed less certain of any physical aspect to protection."[24] In Mormon folklore, tales are told of Latter-day Saints who
credit their temple garments with helping them survive car wrecks, fires, and natural disasters.[1]
[edit] Latter-day Saint views as to sacredness
To members of the LDS Church, the temple garment represents the sacred and personal aspects of their relationship with God. Indeed, in the view of
former Church President Joseph F. Smith, the garment was to be held as "the most sacred of all things in the world, next to their own virtue, next to
their own purity of life".[25] For this reason, Church leaders discourage members from discussing the garment in a casual or disrespectful
manner.[citation needed] Some church leaders have compared the garment to the clerical vestments worn by clergy of other churches.[26][27] Display of
the garment is viewed by most members of LDS Church as extremely inappropriate and offensive.
Church leaders have publicly discussed the above principles and beliefs in general terms since the mid-1840s. However, because of the sacredness
surrounding temple rites and the garment to many Latter-day Saints, some people have utilized it as a source of humor and parody.[1] People who have
sold garments on internet auction sites have been criticized by some LDS Church members.[28]
During the October 2003 General Conference of the Church, some anti-Mormon demonstrators outside the LDS Conference Center reportedly spat and stomped
on garments in view of those attending the conference. A scuffle broke out between a protester and two members of the church who attempted to take the
garments from him.[29] To avoid a repeat of the conflict, the municipality of Salt Lake City planned stronger enforcement of fighting words and hate
speech laws for the April 2004 Conference in Salt Lake City with new protest buffer zones.[30]
If you want to see the pictures go directly to the wikepedia entry ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_garment
[Edited on 6-17-2009 by CaboRon]
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dead thread walking.......................
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
resembling a union suit, with an open crotch |
I think this is the garment that gave Victoria's Secret a foothold in the industry.
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It ain't about feet
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
I think this is the garment that gave Victoria's Secret a foothold in the industry. |
I've been to Victoria's. Didn't see a shoe department.
Thanks, CaboRon. Way more info than I needed.
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Nah...
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dead thread walking....................... |
We'll do our best.
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Another thread straight to the dumper
Sure does not take long these days.
sigh......
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Magic underwear? Makes the Scientologists almost appear normal...
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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How did a kidnapped lady turn into an underwear commercial? Isn't this where you grab the thread and run for the political ramifications? Or is it
formifations?
If its not where it is, its where it isn\'t.
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It's the new normal here. Happens with every one of my posts too.
Maybe people don't feel sorry for Mormom missionaries. And how many hundreds of cousins does a polygamist Mormom missinonary have anyhow?
[Edited on 6-17-2009 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Magic underwear? Makes the Scientologists almost appear normal... |
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Whew! I caught this first post last night and resisted the temptation to get the ball rolling. Glad I did. You guys didn't need any help. BTW,
Meredith is a man.
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well this is hilarious if nada else....
Dave yur phunnie....
i'll bet crotchless or knot these white sheets nee underoos do a great camel toe for certain of the faithful flock....
cults are soooo weird.
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
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Of course
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BTW, Meredith is a man. |
This should have been your first, and last clue:
"Meredith Romney, the LDS leader in Chihuahua..."
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It's Merdith, not Meredith.
And who cares, this was another kidnapping!
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I wonder if the church will bail him out. Can they afford not to on the world stage? Only a church would try to justify that.
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If they do I'll convert
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I wonder if the church will bail him out. |
Cheap insurance!!!
I guess I could get used to the undies.
Anyway, who's gonna check?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
Post-1979 two-piece temple garments end just above the knee for both sexes. Women's garment have a rounded or sweetheart neckline with cap sleeves.
Male tops are available in tee-shirt styles |
I guess men have to wear them as well. And, to think they were close to becoming part of the presidential wardrobe.
What a bunch of ridiculous nonsense. Like the mandatory veil in the middle east.
Ya know, we could excercise "thread purity" here and stick to the original topic, that of the kidnapping, but what more is there to say without
additional details? Does that mean the thread has to die?
No...It morphs as they all do when all has been said. It isn't disrespect...It's a natural progression.
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