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tripledigitken
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Has Litter in Baja changed over the last 10 years? (from 2009)
[Edited on 3-18-2013 by tripledigitken]
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tripledigitken
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We have noticed that it appears that litter has decreased along Mex 1. No question that the abandoned wrecks have been mostly cleaned up, recyling no
doubt is the reason.
But plain litter seems less as each year goes by.
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DENNIS
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Depends on where. Monday morning at the local beach still resembles a city dump and Gigante parking lots are still littered with loaded baby
diapers. But, as anybody knows, you can't litter aluminum. Toss an empty beer can from your car and it's in the bag before the second bounce.
All in all, I think it's a cleaner place. I've often thought that it would always have been cleaner if there were more trash cans. I think today
there are more.
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comitan
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More than 10years ago the Mexican Government started a program called Solidarity. The program was to educate the Mexican people on cleaning up after
themselves no Tira Basura. It wasn't expected to work overnight but you can definitely see the difference. In the La Paz area you see crews out
working to cleanup along the highways and Beaches.....
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tripledigitken
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Comitan,
I didn't know of that program that explains the improvement we have noticed.
Ken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
Comitan,
I didn't know of that program that explains the improvement we have noticed.
Ken |
Government is taking a larger role in cleaning up the place through requirements in permits, licenses and concessions. We have been granted a broad
spectrum concession for a 5000 hectare area which includes the San Martin Island. Part of our concession includes a role as caretakers for the island
with the requirement to clean the island of decades of trash as well as habitat protection. It is a large task but definitely an effort worth making.
Every day the guys load up bags and piles of trash that are transported to shore to be offloaded and taken to the dump. We have been at it for a few
weeks now and probably have three or four months left to go.
You can see San Martin Island in the background right on the second photo.
[Edited on 6-23-2009 by BajaGringo]
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BajaBruno
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Shoot, I thought you asked if the LITER has changed! It certainly has for a lot of gas station operators.
As for the LITTER, Comitan is probably not old enough  to remember US highways
before Lady Bird Johnson started her beautification campaign. It was nothing to throw a soda can or candy wrapper out the window before she made us
all ashamed of such behavior.
So, as Comitan describes, Mexico is going through the same enlightenment, though some areas of the country always take a bit longer than others. I
know that in Mexico City you will get very nasty looks from fellow drivers if you so much as drop a gum wrapper out the window. Baja will come
along--and is better already, IMHO, than several years ago.
Christopher Bruno, Elk Grove, CA.
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longlegsinlapaz
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You'll have to trust me on this....but Comitan IS old enough to remember....I think he probably went to kindergarten with Lady
Bird! 
Forgive me Comitan, the devil made me say that! 
That said, I'm even old enough to remember!  
IMO, there is a big difference between educating people not to litter....and the government paying crews to clean up area by area, as people continue
to drive by & toss stuff out the window....or to leave their garbage strewn all over the beach within sight of a trash can. It's a long education process, but it can happen over time!
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Unfortunately, it takes only a small percentage of the population to wreck the environment for everyone. We occasionally participate in local
volunteer efforts to pick up garbage on the road to Cantú. There is one home on a low rise near the roadway whose occupants put bags of garbage on the
edge of their property closest to the road.
I've formed the impression that this is a type of "airmailing" your trash to the dump: the wind and hungry animals rip open the bags, the trash flies
out onto the road, passing traffic disseminates it further, then the "good people" remove it.
It just takes one...
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I remember too and have always thought she made more of a positive impact than a lot of presidents.....We were up toward San Juan de la Costa
yesterday, the water was pristine and the beach was a mess from the weekend, people had made an effort, the one trash can was overflowing.
I guess packing it home hasn't dawned yet, maybe someday.
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I think it has gotten cleaner in Baja. I know we continue to pick trash when we stop along the roadside and on the beach in front of the house.
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Two observations:
Historically, at least in my opinion, BCS has had less of a problem with litter.
It wasn't all that many years ago that beverage containers were all deposito. There was an incentive to return your bottles to get cash. When Mexico
joined the rest of the world with throwaway stuff, it clearly increased the litter problem.
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It´s a lot better than it was 10 years ago...a lot...
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there is a HUGE difference and work is being done to clean it all up...old dump sites are being cleaned....highways and towns have more trash cans,
there are more clean up programs...i see a really big effort going on...but need more education and fines for litterers to get people NOT to litter.
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And all this time I thought that the Tecate can was the state flower of Baja.
If you make something idiot proof, someone will always make a better idiot.
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I guess if your talking about old cars its decreased but small liter i thought it was about the same from my perspective i sure hope im wrong and its
decreased......
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pops
And all this time I thought that the Tecate can was the state flower of Baja. |
Pops,
You are right, it is. They grow all along the highway all the way to the tip.
Fred Hoctor once told me that little tid bit too.
I believe it.
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As Ken & Von note, the abandoned and wrecked cars were greatly reduced during the steel shortage a couple of years ago. On my last trip north
from La Paz, it seemed that every third semi was carying a load of smashed cars. Alas, that fluke of global inequity has gone away and junk cars are
worth...well, junk. It was a nice run while it lasted.
Gringo: good for you and all the good work you participate in.
Legs: you may remember that you introduced me to Wiley when we all happened to be in the produce section of CCC at the same time...
Pops: don't forget white rocks----the highway flares of Baja.
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I pick up the night-party beach trash on sat and sun mornings (so the families that come to enjoy a clean beach won't see it). It has gotten much
better the past few years. a lot better. I don't know if it's much less small "litter" like food wrappers- but certainly there is less dumping of
furniture, large junk pieces and dead animals on the beach.
[Edited on 6-24-2009 by Woooosh]
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I also think the litter has gotten a lot better over the years and I am always amazed when I see a clean up crew along hwy 1 miles from any town.
However I wish there is something that could be done about the grafitti on all of the rocks before and around Catavina. It breaks my heart everytime
we drive by to see it. I always envision a crew with giant sand blasters going through there and blasting all of the paint off of the rocks.
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