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BajaBruno
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Turtle Slaughter
Maybe this was reported before and I missed it. This from Gene Kira's fishing report, with reporting by Nomad Bill Erhart:
"MAGDALENA BAY SEA TURTLE GRAVEYARD--Sam Bekish's trip to visit the Pacific side of Baja's Isla Magdalena produced an eerie discovery of an estimated
1,000 sea turtle skeletons left on the beach at this spot.
During Bekish's walk of approximately 2 kilometers along the beach, he found 2 or 3 other locations with turtle remains arranged in similar
fashion. Bekish made the trip to the island with Capt. Ruben of Puerto Lopez Mateos on May 28, 2009. Said Bill Erhardt of the discovery,
"They rode ATVs south on the east side of the island to Devil's Bend. They walked west across the island to the Pacific at what Ruben thought
was about the narrowest point. Sam thinks they were about 10 kilometers south of Puerto Lopez Mateos at that point.
Sea turtles are among the most common by-catch in the nets of commercial fishermen who ply the fertile waters off the Baja Pacific coast. When
seiners are working along the coast, bloated corpses dot the seascape and pile up by the thousands along the shoreline of the peninsula and the
barrier islands.
On Isla Magdalena, anonymous visitors have arranged the tortuga corpses into graveyards in a silent memorial to the victims of this tragic
carnage. PHOTOS COURTESY OF SAM BEKISH AND BILL ERHARDT."
See the second photo sequence: http://www.mexfish.com/mfn/mfn2009/mfn090622/mfn090622.htm
Christopher Bruno, Elk Grove, CA.
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fishbuck
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Wow, that is hardcore! And very sad.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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fishbuck
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I'm guessing those turtles were in the Biosphere Reserve.
So I'm thinking that this is a "Crime against the Biosphere". The United Nations should prosecute Mexico. This is a crime against the world.
When Mexico accepts the Unesco "Biosphere Preserve" designation, they accept responsibility for the protection of the biodiversity, the turtles.
Those were the world's turtles, your turtles, my turtles, our turtles.
Mexico does not have the right to allow those turtles to be slaughtered like that. They must prevent it! How many other animals were slaughtered.
Dolphines? Sharks? Whales?
Someone should go to jail for that. Either the fishermen responsible or the manager of the Biosphere Reserve!
That was a crime!
[Edited on 6-25-2009 by fishbuck]
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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fishbuck
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Bump!
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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"Those were the world's turtles, your turtles, my turtles, our turtles"
verdad. this brings tears. after all the attempts at education, the NGOs who dedicate their efforts against atrosities such as this, the successful
turtle program at Mag Bay, why is this happening.
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Von
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And of course like always in MEXICO no one knows anything and nothing will be done about this Sometimes I REALLY HATE MY country it shows everyone
in the world we are still in the STONE AGE! Thats why I left TJ and brought my familia to the US!
READY SET.....................
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
I'm guessing those turtles were in the Biosphere Reserve.
So I'm thinking that this is a "Crime against the Biosphere". The United Nations should prosecute Mexico. This is a crime against the world.
When Mexico accepts the Unesco "Biosphere Preserve" designation, they accept responsibility for the protection of the biodiversity, the turtles.
Those were the world's turtles, your turtles, my turtles, our turtles.
Mexico does not have the right to allow those turtles to be slaughtered like that. They must prevent it! How many other animals were slaughtered.
Dolphines? Sharks? Whales?
Someone should go to jail for that. Either the fishermen responsible or the manager of the Biosphere Reserve!
That was a crime!
[Edited on 6-25-2009 by fishbuck] |
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That makes me sick.
What we see depends mainly on what we look for.
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My hope is that somewhere someone gives a ratsass and is paying attention.
This forum is a huge source for current events and exposes what is happening in real time. There must be someone somewhere that reads these crimes
that is in a position of authority to foreward this stuff to those that can act or legislate. They are out there.
These a-holes that come ashore to dress out turtles and shark are of the worst type. Their clandestine operations that take them to the backsides of
islands or desolate coves nust be reigned in.
I hope this all ends up on the Feds and protective services desks replete with glossy photos and report. I don't have much confidence in the UN. I
think vigilantes might work well in this case. Track and hunt them down, make them pay dearly.
Make a freakin' example out of them. Not like that hogwash turtle bust crap. Where is the justice?
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
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Bajajack
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What's the going rate for Turtles these day's?
\"take what you can, give nothing back!\"
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the
American people.\'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
We can have no \"50-50\" allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.
Theodore Roosevelt
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wilderone
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I sent an email to these addresses calling for action. I attached the article and 2 pics. Please do likewise.
pronatura@pronatura.org.mx; ppatron@profepa.gob.mx; aefl@fonatur.gob.mx; c.secretario@semarnat.gob.mx; infotur@baja.gov.mx; info@wildcoast.net;
melpax@hotmail.com; pmarco@ine.gob.mx; rkiy@icfdn.org; info@propeninsula.org; desarrollo@conanp.gob.mx; mspalding@oceanfdn.org;
aaron@grupotortuguero.org; chuy@grupotortuguero.org; islas_mx@prodigy.net.mx; servex@conabio.gob.mx; calweb@tnc.org; info@seeturtles.org
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This is the Grammar Police talking:
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajajack
What's the going rate for Turtles these day's? |
Usually an ignorant, insensitive and hostile statement contains gross errors in English language structure...That figures! In this case, the word
day is not possessive. It needs to be a plural, without the apostrophe.
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Bajajack
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajajack
What's the going rate for Turtles these day's? |
Usually an ignorant, insensitive and hostile statement contains gross errors in English language structure...That figures! In this case, the word
day is not possessive. It needs to be a plural, without the apostrophe.
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First of all I asked a legitimate question and pardon me if I made such a terrible typo.
As for ignorance, insensitivity and hostility, take a look in the Mirror you old Fool!
\"take what you can, give nothing back!\"
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the
American people.\'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
We can have no \"50-50\" allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.
Theodore Roosevelt
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
I'm guessing those turtles were in the Biosphere Reserve.
So I'm thinking that this is a "Crime against the Biosphere". The United Nations should prosecute Mexico. This is a crime against the world.
When Mexico accepts the Unesco "Biosphere Preserve" designation, they accept responsibility for the protection of the biodiversity, the turtles.
Those were the world's turtles, your turtles, my turtles, our turtles.
Mexico does not have the right to allow those turtles to be slaughtered like that. They must prevent it! How many other animals were slaughtered.
Dolphines? Sharks? Whales?
Someone should go to jail for that. Either the fishermen responsible or the manager of the Biosphere Reserve!
That was a crime!
[Edited on 6-25-2009 by fishbuck] |
Well said and 100% true
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Cypress
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Turtle slaughter. Vaquita slaughter. Reef fish slaughter. There's one term that keeps repeating itself. Forgive me if it's not a happy picture, I
didn't take it.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
I'm guessing those turtles were in the Biosphere Reserve.
So I'm thinking that this is a "Crime against the Biosphere". The United Nations should prosecute Mexico. This is a crime against the world.
When Mexico accepts the Unesco "Biosphere Preserve" designation, they accept responsibility for the protection of the biodiversity, the turtles.
Those were the world's turtles, your turtles, my turtles, our turtles.
Mexico does not have the right to allow those turtles to be slaughtered like that. They must prevent it! How many other animals were slaughtered.
Dolphines? Sharks? Whales?
Someone should go to jail for that. Either the fishermen responsible or the manager of the Biosphere Reserve!
That was a crime!
[Edited on 6-25-2009 by fishbuck] |
Sad what happened, very sad, but before you start spewing blame and making accusations, please make sure that Madalena Bay is a part of the
Biosphere---
While it probably should be, unless it has been added since this map was produced, it is not.
http://www.parkswatch.org/parkprofiles/maps/pamaps/Mexico_large_map.jpg
[Edited on 6-25-2009 by jdtrotter]
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richard nauman
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While not 100% certain, I believe these areas are the result of scientific projects quanitifying mortality in the Bahia Magdelena region. The authors
moved dead turtles to centralized areas to avoid double counting during mortality surveys on the beaches.
ProPeninsula, Grupo Tortugero and others have done/are doing a lot of work in the area to protect and restore turtle populations.
A couple of papers the present the results of studies on turtle mortality in the area are available at:
http://www.seaturtle.org/PDF/Gardner_2001_ChelConservBiol.pdf
and
http://web.mac.com/wallacejnichols/wallacejnichols/Research/Entries/2006/1/1_Turtle_mortality_in_Bahia_Magdalena%3A_Biol_Cons.html
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Maybe not in the Biosphere but I'm sure those turtles are protected by international treaty. And again a guess but I would guess that Mexico is a
signee on such treaty. And can be held accountable by international law.
Just a guess.
[Edited on 6-25-2009 by fishbuck]
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If this is true it is probably documented and verifiable.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
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