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Best boat yard in Ensenada?
I'm looking at a boat in SQ. It's a nice boat but needs new power.
It's set up for an out board. But I saw another like it with an inboard/outboard.
So I'm thinking of repowering it with and inboard/jackshaft combo to move the engind forward and keep the deck flat back at the transom.
The I/O version I saw has the engins all the way back and has a step-up platform at the transom to cover the engine.
Not bad and I plan to fish the boat this summer to try it.
So what boat yard in Ensenada is capable of installing a jackshaft type drive?
The boat is an Amato 28 Pilothouse. I saw it on the water last weekend when I was out fishing on a Parker 23.
The boat was built by Amato in Ensenada but I not sure he's still in business.
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What is the beam and the weight of that hull w/o engine of any kind?
Yeah, the Amato site seems to be kaput.
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Not sure on beam and weight.
It's wide and it's heavy.
It can be trailered. Jaime, the captain with the inboard version hauls his out everyday. And they were towed from Ensenada with a standard pickup.
I do know that it needs about 300 hp to run right. The outboard version had a 225 Yamaha 4stroke and the boat killed that in 1 or 2 seasons.
The inboard version has a 350 ci chevy in it. That's probably what I will use.
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IMO, the best yard is Baja Naval. But pricey.
I have a friend here in Primo Tapia that's a topflight marine mechanic. He'll do you a proper job. Also know a first-class glass man.
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That sounds like a project requiring some good engineering. Try to get as much help from the designer of the hull if you can. I wouldn't leave it in
the hands of the shipyard to do it turnkey. You may end up spending big dollars with a less than stellar result.
an interesting thread on the subject.............http://www.thehulltruth.com/boating-forum/61488-pro-con-jackshaft.html
[Edited on 7-10-2009 by tripledigitken]
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If you go with the jackshaft setup, where will the fuel tank go? You cant move a V-8 too far up before it's wanting to be where the fuel tank is. I
think that's why its only in I/O or O/B. You might have to go with some type of saddle tanks and there goes any fish holds and below deck storage.
How about a small Yanmar 4 cylinder with an I/O? You wont be keeping this in the water, will you? The thing will probably get 4nm/g with a duoprop.
235 hp but with the torque to take on that weight. That Yammy was probably overpropped for that weight IF it was actually the weight that killed it.
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I was at Amato's boat yard 3 weeks ago. They said they are slow but still going. You need to make a right "coming from Ensenada" at the Baja Conuntry
Club signal. Follow the road a ways and you will see the boat yard off the road to your right.
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fishbuck
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Those are all good questions. I'm not a boat engineer so I can only guess.
I hope I can find someone with experience who can help me.
I know that I don't like fishing over an outboard. So I'm wondering if I can do this.
There is a boat called an Albemerle. Some models have the jackshaft setup. But they are very expensive.
That's where I got the idea.
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Fishing over an outboard aint so bad. You just gotta have someone at the helm to keep the fish away from the prop. I've had to do it many times when I
was the only one on my old Mako 220............and I had twin o/bs.
I also once saw a guy who had mounted a u-shaped piece of metal (like the kind that holds a boat hook along the inside of a boat) to the top of his
o/b cowling. He would use a broomstick with a Y on one end to catch the line coming off the pole and fend it out away from the outboard. The U on the
o/b cowling kept the broomstick in place and he just pushed it outward when the fish wanted to take it toward the engine. But moving the boat works
better.
Hey, so you lose an occasional fish. There are plenty more out there.
You, above all, should know that, Fishbuck. 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MikeLikeBaja
I was at Amato's boat yard 3 weeks ago. They said they are slow but still going. You need to make a right "coming from Ensenada" at the Baja Conuntry
Club signal. Follow the road a ways and you will see the boat yard off the road to your right. |
Ya, I've been out there and his place is really "out there" That's where I first saw his 28 Amato. He had one in there for some rework.
I'll ask Amato 1st about the jackshaft idea.
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The Albemerle:
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
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fishbuck
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The drive shaft:
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
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fishbuck
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Albe 26 with T-top and canvas:
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
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fishbuck
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The answer to this question is easy.
I'll just take the pictures to Amato and ask him to copy it. The engineering has already been done.
I can probably order the same parts.
[Edited on 7-11-2009 by fishbuck]
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1. Putting on inboard into that boat will change the weight distribution.
Most likely, the boat will end up a bit bow heavy - rougher in the waves ...
2. How will you modify your trailer to hold the shaft ?
3. You need a 1 ton with duelly's to tow a 28" boat !! Even then ..... in Baja ??
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I don't now what your budget is or if you already have committed to a hull but there are some really good deals to be had in SD right now. You may
find some thing you like up there. Seems to me a retro-fit is just asking for trouble. You all know a lot more about these things than I but seems any
imperfection/vibration would spell disaster. Good luck with what ever you decide!
http://www.albinmarine.com/ExpressTrawler/26CC%20folder/26CC...
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my 2 cents
I think you need to stick with the OB,, 4 stroke,, get a pair,,
the boat was designed for OBs,, your just asking for problems
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Fishbuck, I think there is some really good info here on the conversion. I personally would not even consider doing that. The biggest problem with
any type of Inboard/outboard operation is that they do not function well in the high salinity of the Sea of Cortez. They do a little better on the
Ensenada side because the salinity is much less there and I find a lot of applications in Alaska and British Columbia that work well but everytime I
see one of these on the Sea of Cortez, they go quickly.
If the boat was designed for outboard operation, you are much better off staying with that original configuration. The new 4 strokes are putting
out a lot of power and work like a dream, they are just a little expensive.
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I love that Albin 26! Really similar t the Albe 26.
I haven't boat the boat yet. But I think I can by it without motor for 10 grand.
My first thought is to go with a new outboard. A 300hp Suzuki. It's a 4 stroke V6. They cost around $17-18000. The current owner suggests a 350hp
Yamaha. A V8. About $21-22000
That's alot of money.
Jamie just replaced the inboard in his 28 Amato for $1000. He bought a used runabout and took the motor out and it dropped right in. The old motor was
a 305 chevy and it was underpowered.
So a used motor and outdrive and make my own jackshaft. Maybe $5000. I'll let Amato do it.
I didn't know about the increased salinity of the SOC.
The primary mission for this boat will be to charge offshore from SQ for summer tuna. Three of the San Diego 1.5 day boats limited on Alvacora
yesterday. So I think a minimum 25 mile run offshore to the blue water.
But at other times of the year I will tow it or another boat to BOLA, Mulege, etc. So that is a factor. I might even aircondition the pilothouse for
those 100 plus days on the Cortez. Haven't figured that out yet.
Not a problem in SQ. It was cold out there last weekend.
Did see a nice grey whale in Bahia San Quintin.
But no fish! Should have gone to BOLA!
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Also Fishbuck..... There is an old nautical wise mans " trueism".... FREE,IS NOT CHEAP ENOUGH!!! ++C++
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