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Mexico is outraged over influx of its own citizens
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The shoe is on the other foot, and the Mexicans from Sonora don't like it one bit. Can you believe the nerve of these people? It's almost funny.
The state of Sonora is angry at the influx of Mexicans into Mexico. Nine state legislators from the state of Sonora traveled to Tucson to complain
about Arizona's new employer crackdown on illegal immigrants from Mexico.Â
It seems that many illegal immigrants from Mexico are returning to their hometowns, and the officials in the Sonora state government are ticked off
about it. A delegation of nine state legislators from Sonora was in Tucson recently to say Arizona's new employer sanctions law will have a
devastating effect on the Mexican state. At a news conference the legislators said Sonora, Arizona's southern neighbor comprised mostly of small
towns, cannot handle the demand for housing, jobs and schools it will face as Mexican workers here return to their country without jobs or money.
The Arizona law, which took effect Jan. 1, punishes employers who knowingly hire individuals who don't have valid legal documents to work in the
United States. Penalties include suspension or loss of business licenses. Because more companies are complying, illegal immigrants are finding it more
difficult to find work, so they are going home.
The Mexican legislators are angry because the influx of their own citizens is placing a burden on the state government.
"How can they pass a law like this?" asked Mexican representative Leticia Amparano-Gomez, who represents Nogales.
"There is not one person living in Sonora who doesn't have a friend or relative working in Arizona," she said, speaking in Spanish. "Mexico is not
prepared for this, for the tremendous problems it will face as more and more people working in Arizona and sending money to their families, return to
their hometowns without jobs."
"We are one family, socially and economically," she said of the people of Sonora and Arizona.
Wrong!
The United States is a sovereign nation, not a subsidiary of Mexico, and American taxpayers are not responsible for the welfare of Mexico's citizens.
It's time for Mexico - and its citizens - to stop parasitically feeding off the United States and start taking care of its citizens' own needs.
I believe it's high time for all American states to pass a law like the one in Arizona. Perhaps that would solve many immigration problems that the
U.S. Congress refuses to address.
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http://www.thespectrum.com/article/20090909/OPINION/90909030...
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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Mexico is outraged over influx of its own citizens
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i'm outraged over the influx myself. welcome to the party!
edit: but the reflux brings a grin!
[Edited on 10-3-2009 by woody in ob]
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Arrowhead posted a piece of blatant yellow journalism. The title clued me in so I found a responsibly written article about the same event.
Sonoran legislators oppose employer sanctions law
Sonoran legislators from Mexico's PAN democratic party said their state is not prepared for a mass return of Mexican nationals. They met with Arizona
legislators at the State Capitol Wednesday morning. They said they understand the reasons for the employer sanctions law, but said they don't think
all the consequences were taken into account.
"We are concerned because probably we won't be able to have all the resources to help in case the amount of people are too many people," said
coordinator of the group, Florencio Diaz Armenta. The delegation from Sonora said they cannot quantify how many people have returned to their state
from Arizona, so far. But they said, based on anecdotal information, they know there are two groups returning- day laborers and professionals.
Armenta said Mexico does have a plan in place to help those immigrants returning to their country, but he said it is not enough. He said they plan on
continuing to engage in open dialogue with Arizona lawmakers in hopes of reaching an agreement. "There is a history of relationship between the states
Arizona and Sonora," said Armenta. "We have families on both sides, so we have to worry about what happens on both sides of the border." He said they
hope to invite Arizona legislators to meet in Sonora the next time.
The delegation from Sonora also met with LULAC in Tucson.
http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/sonoranlegisla...
[Edited on 10-2-2009 by k-rico]
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Take Notioce Folks!
The Two Posts here is a Prime example of what happens Thousands of times each day in the News media.
A left Winger will Post an Article with all the words changed to "Charged words" then present it as being correct.
Then a Right Winger will come along and correct it .
Please everyone, teach your Children that there are lots of CHEATERS" out there, Teach them to Question, Watch, and be alert at all the various ways
these Cheaters will try to Control Them .
It is their Future!!
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Hmmmm...
I think you have that backwards, Skeeter!
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I've posted below the original Associated Press article, not the edited rewrite posted by k-rico by a writer whose last name is "Gonzalo". Here is a
key quote from the AP article:
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"How can they pass a law like this?" asked Mexican Rep. Leticia Amparano Gamez
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Try to imagine an American delegation going to Mexico and asking Mexico to NOT enforce its own laws. Just try to wrap your mind around that thought.
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Delegation of Mexican lawmakers denounces employer sanctions law
Associated Press
Jan. 16, 2008 06:16 AM
TUCSON- A delegation of nine state legislators from Sonora traveled to Tucson to make the case against Arizona's new employer sanctions law,
The lawmakers say it will have a devastating affect on the Mexican state.
At a news conference Tuesday, they said Sonora cannot handle the demand for housing, jobs and schools it will face as illegal Mexican workers in
Arizona return to their hometowns without jobs or money.
The law, which took effect Jan.1, punishes employers who knowingly hire individuals who don't have valid legal documents to work in the United States.
Businesses found violating the law face suspension or loss of a business license.
The lawmakers were to travel to Phoenix Wednesday for a breakfast meeting with Hispanic legislators.
They're expected to tell them how the law will affect Mexican families on both sides of the border.
"How can they pass a law like this?" asked Mexican Rep. Leticia Amparano Gamez, who represents Nogales. "There is not one person living in Sonora who
does not have a friend or relative working in Arizona," Amparano said in Spanish.
Amparano said the Sonoran legislators are already asking the federal government of Mexico for help.
Rep. Florencio Diaz Armenta, coordinator of the delegation, represents the agricultural rich San Luis, Rio Colorado, area south of Yuma which employs
some 28,000 legal Mexican workers.
"What do we do with the repatriated?" he asked. "As Mexicans, we are worried. They are Mexicans but they are also people's fathers and mothers and
young people with jobs who won't have work in Sonora."
Diaz said the Arizona law will lead to the disintegration of the family, as one legal Mexican parent remains in Arizona and the other returns to
Mexico.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0116az-delegations16-...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Please everyone, teach your Children that there are lots of CHEATERS" out there, Teach them to Question, Watch, and be alert at all the various ways
these Cheaters will try to Control Them .
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Don't forget to tell them to constantly smell the air around them, Scooter. Reefer Madness is everywhere.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Please everyone, teach your Children that there are lots of CHEATERS" out there, Teach them to Question, Watch, and be alert at all the various ways
these Cheaters will try to Control Them .
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The parents definitely have to do it since the schools no longer teach critical thinking or debate.
The schools "teach" to the assessment test and that there really are no wrong answers, and everyone is special in their own special way....  ... and still manage to have a 20%+ dropout rate. Of course, the schools have
done this for decades and the parents themselves more than likely never learned about critical thinking either...We have sadly reached the "tipping
point of no return" and society is doomed. 
Truth generally lies in the coordination of antagonistic opinions
-Herbert Spencer
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
I've posted below the original Associated Press article, not the edited rewrite posted by k-rico by a writer whose last name is "Gonzalo". Here is a
key quote from the AP article:
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Well that's better than the bigoted drivel you posted the first time.
"Try to imagine an American delegation going to Mexico and asking Mexico to NOT enforce its own laws. Just try to wrap your mind around that thought."
OK, mind wrapped.
Perhaps the Mexicans are surprised that AZ is going to enforce laws that it never bothered enforcing before and therefore force working families into
poverty.
But, I know, you don't care.
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Why is it our (U.S.) fault if the 'working families' (of Mexico) are poor? |
Because we are the economic imperialists that have been attracting Mexico's labbor for past several decades??
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Do you think the Mexican government has any responsibilty for its own people? |
Yes. But USA probably has some responsibility for the millions of laborers we encouraged to move to USA.
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The days of America being the rich land of opportunity for everyone are over... Mexico is lucky that we have a little extra money for some vacations
to their country, despite the corruption and out-of-control mafia killing police, at will. |
DK, do you think that GWB destroyed the US w/ no hope of recovery?
you say "mexico is lucky" to get a taste of your fun money???? sounds kind of elitist...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
Yes. But USA probably has some responsibility for the millions of laborers we encouraged to move to USA.
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You mean "Moral responsibility"...Right? What good will that do anybody? The last thing anybody ever wants to hear is, "I'm so sorry."
Don't tell me you meant, "Financial responsibility"....
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B.S.
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The days of America being the rich land of opportunity for everyone are over... |
The New Colossus
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Last time I checked, this was still engraved on Lady Liberty.
It's why I'm proud to be an American.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Why is it our (U.S.) fault if the 'working families' (of Mexico) are poor?
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Nobody is saying its your fault. Its simply a state, who has a budget, limited manpower, and cannot deal with a sudden rush of people into their
space. They have all the right to compliant againts both Mexico and the US.
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It is not easy, but I am biting my tongue here. 
You all know who I am addressing... so-o-o-o-o-o disappointing.
[Edited on 10-2-2009 by toneart]
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I don't think Mexico is outraged over immigrants returning home, its the oligarchs are outraged. Those in power are threatened and they should be
because good people are coming home. These good people now have ideals that they may not have had before. They see things in a different way now.
They are speaking about their experiences with their family and community and changes will happen. They will put long overdue pressure on the
government and make them responsible for their actions. The oligarchs are scared sh*tless. That is good. I am not outraged that Mexicans are
coming back home. I am happy about it. Will things be more difficult? Probably. In the long run our sacrifices will be worth it.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
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Why is it our (U.S.) fault if the 'working families' (of Mexico) are poor?
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Nobody is saying its your fault. Its simply a state, who has a budget, limited manpower, and cannot deal with a sudden rush of people into their
space. They have all the right to compliant againts both Mexico and the US. |
Maybe California should try this excuse next time they are over budget....
Should they send the delegation to Washington, Mexico, China, the world? All the above?
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Sure took a long time for this 1 1/2 old story to create a stir.
I think the world is run by C- students.
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Why can't they just see these returnees as tourists? They'll be loaded with Yankee dollars and won't be staying long anyway. They'll go back north
when the time is right.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Taco de Baja
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Why is it our (U.S.) fault if the 'working families' (of Mexico) are poor?
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Nobody is saying its your fault. Its simply a state, who has a budget, limited manpower, and cannot deal with a sudden rush of people into their
space. They have all the right to compliant againts both Mexico and the US. |
Maybe California should try this excuse next time they are over budget....
Should they send the delegation to Washington, Mexico, China, the world? All the above? |
Don't give them jobs, and they wont go there. Problem is in good times they need them, and in bad times they want to blame everything on them.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by Taco de Baja
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Why is it our (U.S.) fault if the 'working families' (of Mexico) are poor?
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Nobody is saying its your fault. Its simply a state, who has a budget, limited manpower, and cannot deal with a sudden rush of people into their
space. They have all the right to compliant againts both Mexico and the US. |
Maybe California should try this excuse next time they are over budget....
Should they send the delegation to Washington, Mexico, China, the world? All the above? |
Don't give them jobs, and they wont go there. Problem is in good times they need them, and in bad times they want to blame everything on them.
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sounds familiar! 
no, the problem is selective enforcement of the laws in both sovereign nations
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