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Forming a police force to protect tourists
I'll post the entire article in Spanish below. In summary, it says the mayors of Tijuana, Rosarito and Ensenada will sign a letter of intent with San
Diego Mayor Jerry Sanders. The three Baja municipalities will form a combined police unit specifically assigned to protect tourists. They will have
distinct uniforms easily recognizable by tourists, and be bilingual. This force will be trained by the San Diego police department. Tijuana police
chief Julián Leyzaola Pérez is in San Diego having discussions about this.
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Integrarán la Policía Metropolitana en Baja California
*.- Estará formada por las corporaciones de Tijuana, Rosarito y Ensenada
*.- Los elementos serán entrenados por la Policía de San Diego
TIJUANA BC 3 DE OCTUBRE DE 2009 (AFN).- Las ciudades de Tijuana, Rosarito y Ensenada, formarán en breve la Policía Metropolitana, la cual estará
integrada por personal bilingüe que estará encargado de garantizar la seguridad de los turistas que visiten Baja California.
Esto lo dio a conocer el Consulado de México en San Diego, al informar que el próximo 5 de octubre, los alcaldes Jorge Ramos de Tijuana; Hugo Torres
Chabert de Rosarito y Pablo Alejo de Ensenada, firmarán una “carta de intención” con el alcalde de San Diego, Jerry Sanders, a fin de que elementos
del Departamento de Policía de San Diego, capaciten a los agentes.
La firma del documento se hará en la oficina del alcalde de San Diego y con la presencia de la Cónsul General, Remedio Gómez Arnau, quien fungirá como
testigo de honor en esta firma.
Los integrantes de la nueva Policía Metropolitana, tendrá vehículos y uniformes que serán fácilmente reconocidos por los turistas y los agentes serán
capacitados por oficiales de San Diego, a través de cursos de desarrollo e intercambio de material didáctico.
Trascendió que el alcalde Ramos dijo este viernes que el Secretario de Seguridad Pública, Julián Leyzaola Pérez, estaba precisamente este viernes, en
pláticas en San Diego, para la conformación de esa policía.
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No, no, no! Not a good idea.
Not good for gringo tourists or residents of Baja.
So far, we have not been targets per se. I fear this would draw attention and therefore a backlash/pushback against us. This only serves as a PR
attempt to draw us in to spend our money. They are acting under immense pressure to "do something". This will backfire. Mark my words.
I do not think we need a "tourist police force to protect tourists". If the military doesn't have the firepower to defend against the cartels, how in
the world could any other police force have adequate manpower and firepower?
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Generally speaking, the most evident crimes against tourists are commited by money hungry police. Are they suggesting a police unit that would guard
against that? It's highly unlikely.
[Edited on 10-3-2009 by DENNIS]
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The article is short on details. Other than being bilingual and wearing uniforms that will undoubtedly be different from other police, what else do
they have to offer? What's the selection process? Will they be armed? If so, with what? Will they be paid better as an elite force? A few years back,
such a force may have had a positive effect for tourist. But until the drug crime and the thuggery created by awful economic times is eradicated, I
don't see this attempt doing much.
BTW- I was accosted while entering my local supermarket yesterday to sign a pettition for a ballot initiative to legalize, control and tax marijuana.
I hope it gets enough signatures to at least make the ballot. Polling aside, this would be a great way to at least see if Californians are getting
closer to doing something to help eradicate the violence associated with drug trafficking.
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So what does this say about the existing Tourist Police in Rosarito? They haven't done much to increase tourism in the past year- have they? Just
another propaganda ploy IMHO.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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We were in Cabo early last week and on Monday, Cabo received SIX mega cruise ships. When I was turning into the parking area my husband said "look
they're selling POLICE shirts out of the back of that station wagon". I didn't think anything of it.
We proceeded to do our business over the next couple of hours. As we walked the tourist strip back to our car we noticed several military arresting a
couple of guys. They were pretty hard on them physically which caused me to look over more that I would usually and then I noticed the problem. The
two guys were being arrested for wearing the same fake POLICE shirts that we saw being sold a couple of hours prior!
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I'm fairly libertarian and have a somewhat weird sense of humor. But I can see where selling and/or wearing fake police shirts or uniforms gets mighty
close to the issue of shouting fire in a crowded theater. It's not the US, but I do see where if it was, the First Amendment goes only so far.
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Man, what a bunch of cynics. You could look at it as more cops on the street, which is the classic response to crime problems.
I don't get where you guys are coming from.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
Man, what a bunch of cynics. You could look at it as more cops on the street, which is the classic response to crime problems.
I don't get where you guys are coming from. |
So...how is the "classic response" working out so far? You want more of the same?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
Man, what a bunch of cynics. You could look at it as more cops on the street, which is the classic response to crime problems.
I don't get where you guys are coming from. |
The solution to all of their problems are pretty simple and straight forward. ARREST the one single cell of criminals, who everybody knows, is doing
the kidnapping, killing police, and destroying their economy. |
OK, so you believe that the authorities know who the bad guys are and let them do their thing; i.e., killing and kidnapping people, including police,
and destroying the tourist business. You think the authorities are OK with that, right?
[Edited on 10-3-2009 by k-rico]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
I don't get where you guys are coming from. |
Just wondering how much window dressing one is supposed to buy.
Good!!! More police. Excellent!!!! What will they do that that one wouldn't expect from any other policeman? Seems their only attribute will be to
give directions to the Español challenged. Do you need a gun-totin' cop to do that?
They'll probably end up being cadets anyway. On the job training.
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As I mentioned earlier, the article was short on details. That said, why are people assuming that there will be more police? It could just as easily
be that they will be recruiting from the existing ranks.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
Man, what a bunch of cynics. You could look at it as more cops on the street, which is the classic response to crime problems.
I don't get where you guys are coming from. |
So...how is the "classic response" working out so far? You want more of the same? |
There's a whole lot of dead bad guys. The vast majority of the murders have been narcos. I do wish the war had never started but Pandora's box has
been opened. Could be there is no turning back. I said could be. It's debatable.
Besides, these tourist cops won't be busting drug dealers, will they?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
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Man, what a bunch of cynics. You could look at it as more cops on the street, which is the classic response to crime problems.
I don't get where you guys are coming from. |
The solution to all of their problems are pretty simple and straight forward. ARREST the one single cell of criminals, who everybody knows, is doing
the kidnapping, killing police, and destroying their economy. |
OK, so you believe that the authorities know who the bad guys are and let them do their thing; i.e., killing and kidnapping people, including police,
and destroying the tourist business. You think the authorities are OK with that, right?
[Edited on 10-3-2009 by k-rico] |
I don't believe, it is a well known FACT in Baja Norte.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
I don't get where you guys are coming from. |
Just wondering how much window dressing one is supposed to buy.
Good!!! More police. Excellent!!!! What will they do that that one wouldn't expect from any other policeman? Seems their only attribute will be to
give directions to the Español challenged. Do you need a gun-totin' cop to do that?
They'll probably end up being cadets anyway. On the job training. |
One minute you guys are beaching about all the violence and then the next minute you beach about hiring more cops or at least the increased training
of the existing cops with a new priority on protecting tourists.
Do you complain about the sand being sandy, the sun being hot, and the water being wet too?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
Man, what a bunch of cynics. You could look at it as more cops on the street, which is the classic response to crime problems.
I don't get where you guys are coming from. |
The solution to all of their problems are pretty simple and straight forward. ARREST the one single cell of criminals, who everybody knows, is doing
the kidnapping, killing police, and destroying their economy. |
OK, so you believe that the authorities know who the bad guys are and let them do their thing; i.e., killing and kidnapping people, including police,
and destroying the tourist business. You think the authorities are OK with that, right?
[Edited on 10-3-2009 by k-rico] |
I don't believe, it is a well known FACT in Baja Norte. |
If that were true, why are they fighting each other?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
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Man, what a bunch of cynics. You could look at it as more cops on the street, which is the classic response to crime problems.
I don't get where you guys are coming from. |
So...how is the "classic response" working out so far? You want more of the same? |
There's a whole lot of dead bad guys. The vast majority of the murders have been narcos. I do wish the war had never started but Pandora's box has
been opened. Could be there is no turning back. I said could be. It's debatable.
Besides, these tourist cops won't be busting drug dealers, will they? |
K-rico,
Who would the tourist cops be protecting the tourists from; what fear or menace? They would be targets merely by their presence.No, they won't be
busting drug dealers because they can't. They would just be magnets and consequently, so would we. The cartels love to make violent, bloody,
unspeakable examples when they are opposed.
What do they want?...to be left alone to do their drug transporting and dealing. Deal with the drug addiction issue, the drugs themselves, the failed
laws that regulate them and the cartels will lose that avenue of income. Hey! they just want to make their customers happy, and they want to make
their opposition very unhappy and very dead.
I hate the fact that this is happening but this is not my fight. I want to be invisible, as a non drug using Baja homeowner who wishes to pass back
and forth without fear or worse. I want you to live in your house in peace.
And, to answer your earlier question, "Are the authorities OK with that?", referencing the cartel violence...No they aren't but they are powerless to
stop it. The Tourist Police is a very weak response, and in my opinion, very wrong.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
I don't get where you guys are coming from. |
Just wondering how much window dressing one is supposed to buy.
Good!!! More police. Excellent!!!! What will they do that that one wouldn't expect from any other policeman? Seems their only attribute will be to
give directions to the Español challenged. Do you need a gun-totin' cop to do that?
They'll probably end up being cadets anyway. On the job training. |
One minute you guys are beaching about all the violence and then the next minute you beach about hiring more cops or at least the increased training
of the existing cops with a new priority on protecting tourists.
Do you complain about the sand being sandy, the sun being hot, and the water being wet too? |
I don't think you understand. Baja Nortes problems, are caused mainly, by the corruption and violence created by the Arellano Felix cartel. You can
hire twice the amount of cops, and spend millions on training, and that wont solve the problem. If the goverment truly wants to improve conditions,
they need to first adress the disease, not the symptoms. Hiring more cops now, its like buyng new apples and trowing them in the same basket with old
apples rooting away. |
I understand that the AFO brothers who ran things during the heydays are dead or in jail. I also understand that it's a large family and a nephew, a
TJ resident, is running things now. I also understand that police corruption was once a huge problem and now it is a smailler problem.
But to say, as you did, that the authorities running the opposition allow the murders, other violence, and the decimation of the tourist business to
happen is really an exaggeration and a reflection of the way things used to be. They're trying to stop it and I think are gaining ground. The whole TJ
police force has been replaced and they are heavily armed. I'm sure they could use more equipment and I bet they get it.
If it's true that this new brand of cops are going to be trained by the San Diego police force, I think that's great. The San Diego cops are a very
professional bunch who don't take any crap, nor bribes, from anyone.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
Man, what a bunch of cynics. You could look at it as more cops on the street, which is the classic response to crime problems.
I don't get where you guys are coming from. |
So...how is the "classic response" working out so far? You want more of the same? |
There's a whole lot of dead bad guys. The vast majority of the murders have been narcos. I do wish the war had never started but Pandora's box has
been opened. Could be there is no turning back. I said could be. It's debatable.
Besides, these tourist cops won't be busting drug dealers, will they? |
K-rico,
Who would the tourist cops be protecting the tourists from; what fear or menace? They would be targets merely by their presence.No, they won't be
busting drug dealers because they can't. They would just be magnets and consequently, so would we. The cartels love to make violent, bloody,
unspeakable examples when they are opposed.
What do they want?...to be left alone to do their drug transporting and dealing. Deal with the drug addiction issue, the drugs themselves, the failed
laws that regulate them and the cartels will lose that avenue of income. Hey! they just want to make their customers happy, and they want to make
their opposition very unhappy and very dead.
I hate the fact that this is happening but this is not my fight. I want to be invisible, as a non drug using Baja homeowner who wishes to pass back
and forth without fear or worse. I want you to live in your house in peace.
And, to answer your earlier question, "Are the authorities OK with that?", referencing the cartel violence...No they aren't but they are powerless to
stop it. The Tourist Police is a very weak response, and in my opinion, very wrong. |
Right as usual... how do you live with it....
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It all boils down to money. There is an incredible amount of money floating around. Obscene amounts of money. This will not end until the US legalizes
pot. But who wants to guess when, if ever that will happen?
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