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BajaWarrior
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Sand under the Cabo San Lucas Arch?
I took this photo in June of 1989 when there was sand under the Arch. Two years before this when I was down I drove a small boat under it trolling for
Sierra and again two years after this photo there was water under it.
How often is there sand under it? When was the last time?
BW
Haven't had a bad trip yet....
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mtgoat666
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Global warming, higher sea level, beach will be no more 
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bajajudy
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THEY say it happens every 8 years. I also have photos of people under the arch.
When I saw this post I was hoping for pix of the sand cascade that people scuba dive on. Anyone know anything about that?
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Baja&Back
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Here ya go, Judy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQVXWI8s9v0
It's quite amazing. Only 180 feet off of Lover's Beach, and 60 feet deep, the sand washed across from Divorce Beach falls over a cliff 2000 feet deep,
creating a slow motion "waterfall". That's the closest precipice of that size to land anywhere in the world.
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David K
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Here's a photo my mom or dad took when we went out fishing in a panga... July 1966. (so much for sea levels rising )
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capt. mike
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with a little imagination that 1st pic looks like a pre historic animal or dinosaur like a triceratops grazing.
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
\"Remember there is a big difference between kneeling down and bending over....\"
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Bajahowodd
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It's a tidal phenomenon. I've kayaked through the arch several times, and on rare occasions, walked through it.
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karenintx
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You are right Capt. Mike...in Cabo we do call it "The Drinking Dragon".
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Heather
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I thought it was a burro drinking!
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaWarrior
How often is there sand under it? When was the last time?
BW |
Ask David K.
He's an authority on the subject.
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Skipjack Joe
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in fact, .... ... he's an authority on pretty much everything.
Don't bother posting question here any more.
Remove the Question and Answers forum from the website.
Just go straight to DavidK. He's the Wikipedia of baja california.
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David K
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Thanks Igor... I try to help with answers that I personally know or that I can provide from sources I trust. Only because I love Baja and because
there are a few who appreciate what I do...
Now, I thought it was interesting that over 40 years ago, the arch was in the water... and the new photo shows it surrounded by 'land' (sand)! What
happened to rising sea levels and global warming hysteria? LOL
Of course, the natural tide changes are the reason...
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mtgoat666
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Al Gore is right: Atlantis is full of beautiful women
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Thanks Igor... I try to help with answers that I personally know or that I can provide from sources I trust.
Now, I thought it was interesting that over 40 years ago, the arch was in the water... and the new photo shows it surrounded by 'land' (sand)! What
happened to rising sea levels and global warming hysteria?
Of course, the natural tide changes are the reason... |
Tides are not the primary reason. Primary reason for sand beach agggradation/erosion is storm events. Storms are most often responsible for
depositing or eroding large amounts of sediment.
Responding to DKs sea level monitoring and his "trusted" sources is like peeing into the wind...
Yes we can! 
Peace out!
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woody with a view
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Thanks Igor... I try to help with answers that I personally know or that I can provide from sources I trust.
Now, I thought it was interesting that over 40 years ago, the arch was in the water... and the new photo shows it surrounded by 'land' (sand)! What
happened to rising sea levels and global warming hysteria?
Of course, the natural tide changes are the reason... |
Tides are not the primary reason. Primary reason for sand beach agggradation/erosion is storm events. Storms are most often responsible for
depositing or eroding large amounts of sediment.
Responding to DKs sea level monitoring and his "trusted" sources is like peeing into the wind...
Yes we can!
Peace out!
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somewhere in here is a funny story, full o truth!
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BajaWarrior
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
in fact, .... ... he's an authority on pretty much everything.
Don't bother posting question here any more.
Remove the Question and Answers forum from the website.
Just go straight to DavidK. He's the Wikipedia of baja california. |
David, I keep hearing this from a few Nomads, that you know everything. Can you tell me why the sky in Baja is so blue?
As far as the sand under the Arch, I'm going with storm events that strip the sand and gentle waves that deposit the sand.
[Edited on 10-13-2009 by BajaWarrior]
Haven't had a bad trip yet....
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Crusoe
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No sand beach anywhere ever remains the same.They are always changing with the seasons in elevation and visual structure, due to changing currents
and the wind and tide influences. ++C++
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Bajahowodd
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I've never subscribed to the storm/ erosion/ redepositing stuff because if one checks the history, it appears that the land is exposed under the arch
every four years. That certainly sound to me more like exceptional tides.
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David K
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Chuck... it is so blue because everything is better in Baja!
Now, for you rising sea level fans... look at the distance from the sea ('66)and land ('09) to the arch... You will notice that both sand and sea
level look to be the same distance below... ie. one replaces the other either by daily tidal movement or seasonal differences in tides and sand.
If there was a gradual change in sea levels, over 40 years would be able to see it. The salt flats next to Baja lagoons would be under water all the
time... and I wouldn't be able to drive onto Shell Island... as the hard land west of it (not the sand beach on the east side) is a tidal salt flat...
It hasn't changed in over 30 years.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Chuck... it is so blue because everything is better in Baja!
Now, for you rising sea level fans... look at the distance from the sea ('66)and land ('09) to the arch... You will notice that both sand and sea
level look to be the same distance below... ie. one replaces the other either by daily tidal movement or seasonal differences in tides and sand.
If there was a gradual change in sea levels, over 40 years would be able to see it. The salt flats next to Baja lagoons would be under water all the
time... and I wouldn't be able to drive onto Shell Island... as the hard land west of it (not the sand beach on the east side) is a tidal salt flat...
It hasn't changed in over 30 years. |
DK, like I said earlier, Al Gore is right: Atlantis is full of beautiful women; and you are wrongo boyo
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David K
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You do know algore is lying, right?
The graph he uses in his movie to show the temperture changes on earth (going up and down long before man burned fossil fuels) with a CO2 in the
atmosphere levels graph that mathch the up/ down changes.... to make his arguement, is flawed from the get go...
He doesn't mention that the CO2 level rise hundreds of years AFTER the tempertures rise! They fall just the same way... Any scientist would conclude
from the gathered data that a warming earth causes higher CO2 levels... not the other way around! When the earth cools, the oceans absorb the excess
CO2 that the global heating created... There is an average 800 years period due to the size and depth of the ocean.
What causes the global heating...? Mostly solar activity, as it does ever day the sun rises!
We cannot control sunspots or solar flares... just like we cannot stop volcanos from erupting (which out-produce all of man's greenhouse gasses).
The earth is still here, the ocean levels are fine, nothing man can do will change what Nature has in store for us. We are not mightier than God/
Mother Nature/ the sun or the president of the USA.
This is the only earth we got, get used to it!
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