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ElFaro
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Megaport at Colonet Scaled Down
Saw this today in SDUT...
http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/oct/23/mexican-m...
Below a certain # of containers/year of transport the port is not viable...
[Edited on 10-27-2009 by ElFaro]
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Considering some of the "projections" for boat traffic for Escalera Nautica....I have to wonder how accurate these ship numbers are.......
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I am thinking it will help the folks at Erendira if it ever happens...
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http://www.upi.com/Business_News/2009/10/23/Plans-for-Mexica...
Oct. 23, 2009
ENSENADA, Mexico, Oct. 23 (UPI) -- A decline in trans-Pacific trade has prompted plans for a megaport near Ensenada, Mexico, to be scaled back,
officials said.
Mexican Secretary of Communications and Transport Juan Molinar Horcasitas said while the infrastructure project will move forward, "world economic
realities" mean it will be smaller, The San Diego Union-Tribune reported Friday.
"It has become necessary to adapt to world economic realities," Horcasitas said. "There is no doubt the project remains viable, but it needs to be
redesigned."
The Punta Colonet megaport is now expected to handle at least 1 million 20-foot-long shipping containers annually. That total is less than half the
amount of containers the site was originally intended to hold, the Union-Tribune said.
Jose Rubio Soto, who is supervising the megaport project for the state of Baja California, told the Union-Tribune project officials remain committed
to the long-term benefits of the port.
"This project is very much alive,"Soto said. "We cannot allow this to be stopped … . We're thinking about the next 50 years."
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They're doing the smart thing. Move forward with the infrastructure. It will take several years for the Long Beach- LA ports to get back to anywhere
near their peak. By the time that happens, Colonet can start vying for trade. Makes no sense to build out the whole thing early so it can be basically
idle.
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I have been past the Port of Oakland a few times recently and it has been deserted.
Although US-financed manufacturing is diversifying out from China, it is still moving to Pacific countries, which requires sea transport through West
Coast ports. In all likelihood, shipping traffic will start to rebound in a couple of years, though 2006 levels are unlikely for many years.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pMscxxELHEg/SW_r638zvxI/AAAAAAAAES...
The real question may be, if California ports are not running at full capacity, can Mexico be competitive to steal away some of their business?
Mexico can challenge on price, but that has to be balanced by the extra days it will take to get the containers to the border and then through US
Customs.
This would prohibit time sensitive or perishable products, which in this era of last minute inventory management includes most shipments.
However, I'm sure the Mexican planners have thought this all out....
Christopher Bruno, Elk Grove, CA.
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Punta Colonet project moving forward
http://kxoradio.com/content/view/6242/2/
by George Gale
23 October 2009
(Plans for Mega Port moving forward)…..It just won’t be so big.
The Mexican Government has announced they are moving forward with plans for development of Punta Colonet. The development is planned to create a Mega
Seaport, about 150 miles south of San Ysidro. It had appeared the plans had come to a halt. Juan Molinar Horcasitas says that is not the case. The
Secretary of Communications and Transportation in Mexico says the project has just been scaled back. He says reduced trade forced the change in plans.
The Mega Port is expected to take some of the cargo load off of Long Beach and Los Angeles. The plans are to construct the seaport, and a rail line
that will transport the over-seas cargo into the United States through the East Calexico Port of Entry. The Mexican Government had said bids for
construction were to be opened in December 2009.
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This is a quote from the SDUT article...
"Molinar said that in its initial phase, Punta Colonet should have the capacity to handle at least 1 million 20-foot-long shipping containers annually
— about half the originally proposed capacity. "
And further on down in the article...this quote:
“I think that the cargo will take time to come back, maybe five years, maybe eight years, but it will come back,” said Ernesto Ruffo, a former Baja
California governor who is participating in the bidding process.
Ruffo's group, Consortium Seaport Services, is led by a Spanish company, Globalvia, with participation of Watco, a subsidiary of Union Pacific
Railroad, and a terminal operator, TraPac.
Ruffo said his group cannot make the project break even with fewer than 2 million containers annually. The initial challenge will be building the rail
line to the border. “That investment doesn't change, whether the port is big or whether it's small,” said Ruffo"
So Ruffo says "his group cannot make the project break even with fewer than 2 million containers annually"
If that's the case with this group and probably the others who would want to build infrstructure only to lose money ?? How many years will it take in
contracts diverted to Colonet from Long Beach / LA to get to 2 million / yr just to break even? How about cost overruns ?
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However, I'm sure the Mexican planners have thought this all out....
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I had a one on one interview with Dr. Rubio a short while back and was given the complete overview of the project. This is much more than just a new
shipping port. Plans are in place to create a large assembly plant community in the Valle de Trinidad area. Why do you think Ford, Chrysler and GMC
have already bought large land parcels there?
Car parts can be manufactured in China, shipped to Mexico, assembled and shipped to US markets for thousands less than current manufacturing costs.
This is all part of the new global economy and why Colonet will happen IMHO...
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Wow, good luck for Valle de Trinidad! The mid way point in the trans Baja railroad line from Colonet to Mexicali. The English had that same route
mapped out a hundred years ago to bring all the flour they were going to grow/ mill in San Quintin to the U.S.
This is a great book...
[Edited on 10-24-2009 by David K]
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In the yumasun today
http://www.yumasun.com/news/rail-53717-yuma-project.html
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
Plans are in place to create a large assembly plant community in the Valle de Trinidad area. Why do you think Ford, Chrysler and GMC have already
bought large land parcels there?
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The dope farmers won't like that. I doubt the UAW will look kindly on it either.
Is this why some of these manufacturers were bailed out? So they can bail out? Doesn't make sense to me.
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| Quote: | | The dope farmers won't like that. |
all the new assembly workers will be potential customers
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Ford, Chrysler, GMC, Volkswagen, Nissan, Toyota (in TJ), all have manufacturing plants in Mexico already. The UAW has never been happy with that. With
speculation as noted by BajaGringo, it should also be noted that Nissan already considers its US factory to be among the most efficient in the world.
And VW is currently building a factory in the US. Their particular reason for coming back to the US is currency fluctuations. They haven't been able
to compete in the US marketplace since the Euro took off years ago. That said, despite cheaper labor in China, it would appear to me that if
prognositcators are correct, and the value of the dollar continues to decline, US based factories are essential. So, I'm not so sure the plans for
Valle de Trinidad will ever come to fruition.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
Car parts can be manufactured in China, shipped to Mexico, assembled and shipped to US markets for thousands less than current manufacturing costs.
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Interesting. Why is that cheaper than assembling the whole vehicle in China (where I assume labor costs are lower)?
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You have to be able to maximize the amount of things you can get in a container and on a ship to make the numbers ($$) work. The difference in labor
can be eaten up in freight. Shipping large items takes up more space.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
Plans are in place to create a large assembly plant community in the Valle de Trinidad area. Why do you think Ford, Chrysler and GMC have already
bought large land parcels there? |
Just another BS rumor by the real estate mavens working on their next land swindle. None of those companies own any land down there. They are all
public companies and such a purchase would be reported in their SEC filings available for anyone to read on EDGAR.
Furthermore it makes no economic sense. The US car makers have assembly plants in Mexico for cheap labor because the NAFTA and maquiladora laws allow
them to import parts from the US, assemble them in Mexico, and then reexport the cars back to the US or Canada duty free. They also sell those cars
into the Mexican and Latin American market. Chinese content parts assembled in Mexico aren't duty free when imported into the US. Unless they cut some
deal, they will probably have a double duty: when they land in Mexico and when they are exported to the US/Canada as finished cars.
A better port location would be Guaymas. It already has a 4-lane highway and railroad directly into the US. Colonet is just a dream.
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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By the time the Mexicans get their port built it will be underwater because of GLOBAL WARMING! Not to worry. ++C++
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Crusoe
By the time the Mexicans get their port built it will be underwater because of GLOBAL WARMING! Not to worry. ++C++ |
Funny how environmental issues get pushed to the side... just saw in a paper the other day at the Doctors office that overall concern for Global
Warming is waning in the U.S.
Big surprise with eating becoming more important, with the continued and growing shortage of water in many areas of the "globe".
Also saw where Mexico is "suffering" extreme drought too... lack of normal rail fall. In the same article the head of Mexico's Federal Water Board was
saying we need to look back at how our ancestors did it... they collected rainwater in "cisterns" and saved it..
Kind of wonder why that was or has not been done down on the Southern tip... with the water you folks get down there... a few well placed damns across
many of the "natural" flood control arroyo's seems like a bit of water could be retained, rather than just rushing down to the Sea of Cortez or the
Pacific Ocean.
We could measure the negatives impacts a bit later, after we have enough water to make iced tea to drink while we review the environmental impacts
reports on the event.
But, this is not MY country and I don't really think we in the U.S. have all the answers, but did like the simple suggestion for one of Mexico's
leaders to say... "Why don't we just do what our people have always done”?
Comes to mind, "if it ain't broke don't fix it"...
Not sure how long the Aztecs and Mayan's were here before, "modern" irrigation techniques were introduced to the people of origin that were doing ok,
before the Europeans showed up and "helped" them become "civilized". But, seems to me some one here was putting up cave pictures from something like
10,000 years ago.
I wish the Mexican people best wishes in just doing things their way. To me these peoples had a good thing going (of course I'm not into getting my
heart ripped out for a God" but, some of the other methods, which evolved, by the native peoples should be studies for practical applications today.
Older methods of how to live in an environment should not be discarded out of hand as many ideas still have very practical application today....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
Colonet is just a dream.
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Yes Nancy, if you say so...
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