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JESSE
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Mexican Goverment stupidity at its worst
Sad news today, very sad news. The family of the navy special forces soldier who died a few days ago during the raid and death of drug lord Beltran
Leyva, where killed today at their home in Tabasco. I am incredibly angry at the stupidity of our goverment, and how NOBODY, not ONE person in the
entire federal goverment, was smart enough to realize that the family needed armed escorts, after the funeral services where broadcasted in national
TV from their home.
STUPID, STUPID, STUPID POLITICIANS!!!
[Edited on 12-22-2009 by JESSE]
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Von
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Typical Mexicans who just dont give a DAM. Sometimes i feel so sorry for my people.
READY SET.....................
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surfer jim
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It's really more about getting rid of the cartels than guarding the families.As long nothing is done nobody will be safe anywhere.
[Edited on 12-22-2009 by surfer jim]
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DENNIS
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This is a heavy message they're sending to the guys in the military. A lot for a young mind to deal with. It is terrorism at its most gruesome and
can't be ignored.
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wessongroup
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on point
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
This is a heavy message they're sending to the guys in the military. A lot for a young mind to deal with. It is terrorism at its most gruesome and
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ditto's
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ELINVESTIG8R
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TRAGIC
READ HERE-IT'S IN SPANISH
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arrowhead
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The cartels are using Al Queda terrorist tactics. Killing innocent people to make the gov't think twice and perhaps sue for a truce.
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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Calderon- Between a Rock and a Hard Place
| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
The cartels are using Al Queda terrorist tactics. Killing innocent people to make the gov't think twice and perhaps sue for a truce.
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IF suing for a truce was even considered by Calderon, he must also consider the consequences to his pocketbook. As best I can tell, The Merida
Initiative was designed to give Mexico some $400 million a year for their drug war. And there's another $88 million sent to Mexico for other purposes.
Who thinks the US will continue to pour money into Mexico if Calderon settles with the cartels?
And just what for might some proposed settlement take? Those guys are not going to give up their revenue stream, although I suppose it might be
possible for them to agree to take "a pay cut" in return for not having to expend all the time, energy and money just to fend off the government.
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JESSE
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488 million is pocket change compared to the 100 billion Mexico spends.
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A Tragedy
Oh dear God, Jesse.
I understand, in my own comprehension, what you are saying. about violence, evil and the indifference and bureaucratic lack of interest in the people
who they are supposed to serve.
My heart hurts for the surviving family, and my sincerest condolences for their great loss.
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow mindedness.”
—Mark Twain
\"La vida es dura, el corazon es puro, y cantamos hasta la madrugada.” (Life is hard, the heart is pure and we sing until dawn.)
—Kirsty MacColl, Mambo de la Luna
\"Alea iacta est.\"
—Julius Caesar
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ELINVESTIG8R
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Liberación De México - Méxicanos Al Grito De Guerra!
If he has not already done so, the President of Mexico needs to make a declaration of war against the drug cartels and their criminal element plaguing
Mexico. The President needs to invoke Article 29 of the Mexican Constitution temporarily suspending all rights and establishing martial law and
curfews. All of the Mexican Armed Forces need to deploy and sweep across Mexico starting at one end of Mexico sweeping through to the other side and
up and down the peninsula of Baja California searching every home every rancho every building and under every rock arresting and/or killing the heads
of the cartels and their henchmen. He needs to go big and not stop until Mexico has caught or killed every last one of the offenders. No
Pussyfooting around.
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toneart
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David,
Do you believe that the Mexican Government has the firepower, the military intelligence, and the will to do this? I agree, it's all or nothing, but is
the Government up to the task? I have my doubts, but am certainly not confident in my assessment. You have been advocating this for quite awhile and
it would appear that now's the time, or they will have to negotiate and start making deals. I know where you stand, but just offering a doubt. A lot
of innocent people will be killed during this operation. How long do you think this would take?
I doubt whether the United States will join in that stage of the "War". Mexican national pride would not consider it and even if they were to, we are
hopelessly over committed in another quagmire.
What would happen to gringos living or vacationing there during this Constitution suspension and eradication drive?
Do you think we would be able to escape the country while this is going on or would we need to?
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This is one of the worst things I have ever heard.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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Packoderm
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Is this a map where the yellow line represents a sweeping action to indicate where the Mex. military will attempt to locate and perhaps even arrest
some drug dealers? 
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ELINVESTIG8R
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SOMETHING MUST BE DONE
Tony, as well all know, especially me that I am not all seeing and all knowing and certainly have no inside information. I just know something drastic
has to happen. That said I am optimistic that Mexico has enough people and equipment in their armed forces and their federal and state law enforcement
entities to wage an effective war against the cartels and win. I am sure they have a very active human intelligence network which may or may not be
adequate. I’m not sure. Of course, Mexico will need all the electronic intelligence they can get from the U.S. because of our technology, which I am
sure the US will gladly give to Mexico. I seriously doubt that Mexico will make any deal with the cartels because once they do that the cartels win. I
am also certain innocent lives will be lost because of the fighting. As far as time it will take, who knows probably years. As far as Americans living
in Mexico they will be subject to Mexican law and will have to abide by it. As far as getting out while it’s going on I have no idea. It won’t be a
popular thing this war on the cartels but I seriously feel it has to be done.
Another thing, the Mexican government also needs to update their laws to include life imprisonment without the possibility of parole for certain
serious offenses and the death penalty for the more heinous crimes such as drug related murders and kidnappings, etc. They then need to carry out the
sentences once handed down.
[Edited on 12-23-2009 by ELINVESTI8]
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sanfelipebob
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It is a sad situation Mexico does not have the ability to correct.
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Donjulio
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The drug war won't end until the US Gov wants it to end. Which ain't going to happen. Too lucrative from all ends.
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JESSE
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Heres interesting numbers, theres two blocks of cartels fighting each other. One is the sinaloa cartel, along with la familia cartel. The other is the
beltran leyva cartel, the zetas, the juarez cartel, and the tijuana cartel.
The sinaloa cartel group is the most powerful of all, controls 47% of the drug trade in Mexico, and is trying to control Tijuana and Juarez, thats why
the violence in both cities. The beltran leyva block controls about 27% of the drug trade. (the rest goes to independents).
Now heres the deeply worrisome data for me:
Only 1% of all drug convictions belong to the sinaloa cartel, while 27% belongs to their competitors.
These numbers tell me the goverment is actually supporting one cartel and attacking the other, wich would explain the violence.
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Jesse,
Where does the Michoacan based La Familia cartel fit in? Are they a relatively new organization?
They have recently used bombs in their terror tactics. I really hope that doesn't catch on with the other cartels. Very scary.
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k-rico
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Just found this:
La Familia, the newest of Mexico's five major cartels, has become entrenched in many U.S. cities after flourishing in Mexico through entrepreneurial
zeal, brutality and promises to spin drug profits into "divine justice," or social benefits for its impoverished home state.
La Familia opposes the sale of methamphetamine to Mexicans, for example, but is responsible for the "vast majority" of the lucrative drug entering the
United States from Mexico, said Michele M. Leonhart, acting DEA administrator.
The cartel, based in the southwestern Mexico state of Michoacan, has also benefited from a splintering of older cartels, and its effort to gain social
legitimacy is combined with a savage program to kill, coerce and corrupt security and government personnel, Mexican analysts said.
In Washington, Holder said that U.S. authorities have targeted La Familia for 44 months. Under the effort, called Project Coronado, the federal
government has arrested 1,186 people and seized $32.8 million, 2,710 pounds of methamphetamine, 1,999 kilograms of cocaine, 29 pounds of heroin,
16,390 pounds of marijuana, 389 weapons and 269 vehicles.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10...
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