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tattuna
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Sea wall at Gonzaga?
I've been hearing about a "sea wall" being built in Gonzaga. Is this true? Anyone have pics or know why it's being built?
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fishbuck
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There is a reference to it on Bloodydecks. Being built by Rafael. Doesn't say why.
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David K
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Just some development at the beach in front of Rancho Grande...
It will get worse when the pavement arrives in a couple more years!
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Skipjack Joe
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They've got a model in there on what they plan to do.
Three hotels, a marina, golf course, etc. all waiting for the highway.
Personally I'm skeptical about these grandiose plans. Areas with more money have failed. It will follow the usual development stages in baja -
bulldoze the vegetation, ravage the environment and then walk away. No harm, no foul.
BTW, the scuttlebutt is that the pavement is scheduled to reach in April.
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redhilltown
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I personally hope it (the pavement) never makes it but April?? Hasn't it taken almost two years just to get from North of Puertecitos to Huerfanito? I
hope Skipjack is right and they walk away from the road too.
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capt. mike
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build it and they will come......
i for one would like to have a casita there one day. if i could drive as an option - all the better.
i don't think much will happen unless they get power - that is eons away.
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wilderone
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"Three hotels, a marina, golf course, etc. all waiting for the highway."
ha ha ha 
they could do that in Puertocitos now. Or 30 years ago. No - let's make it ten times as difficult to get there to ensure success of the project.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
build it and they will come......
i for one would like to have a casita there one day. if i could drive as an option - all the better.
i don't think much will happen unless they get power - that is eons away. |
Don't be too sure... Power lines heading south from San Felipe may not be too far behind pavememnt, or Sr. Rodriguez (Los Pinos boss) will generate
electricity for his expanded Rancho Grande, as he already does for the mini-market there.
The main issues preventing development are likely the REDUCED number of Norteamericanos going to Mexico or moving to Mexico because of the
narco-terrorism and economic crash up here. There is no 'local population' to speak of at Gonzaga (like there is at L.A. Bay) to bring poer in for...
yet.
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Donjulio
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The difference between Gonzaga and San Felipe development wise is that San Felipe was bought up by a bunch of Americans and then developed. The
Mexican powers that be saw what happened. Now some of the prime spots towards Gonzaga are owned by wealthy and powerful Mexican people and companies.
That makes a big difference. Of course there are some locals that have been there forever that own too.
San Felipe for some has become their red-headed stepchild. Now they want to focus on development south. Only thing they forget is "Where the hell are
they going to find the buyers"? That is going to be an issue for years to come.
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David K
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Yup... I bet they seek out wealthy Europeans or Middle Easterners since we are a poor country now!???
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Donjulio
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MAYBE 2040??? Took 17 years (since laws changed to allow ownership and Pat Butler started developing EL Dorado) to get San Felipe where it is today.
And electric, water etc was already within a reachable distance. Airport was already here. Service infrastructure was set up. Now what do we have?
Airport which still can't accept international flights. Hospital that closed. No really good restaurants or shopping. No real spas. 1 golf course.
Unfinished marina. Not a decent hotel. A bunch of unfinished developments and condos and half the loca businesses have closed. However we do have 5
new OXXO's (which are going to cause more local businesses to close).
I was talking to one of the curio shop owners the other day. They have one of the largest stores in the area. She said they made about $2000 last year
for the whole year. Ouch.
So reality - Gonzaga starts with basically nothing. Might not see it in my lifetime. Look at Penasco. The Mayan Palace was talking about building
their airport in 99 when I was there. Look how long it took. And they already had service infrastructure too.
Will be interesting to watch. Unfortunately I will be watching from somewhere else.
[Edited on 1-14-2010 by Donjulio]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tattuna
I've been hearing about a "sea wall" being built in Gonzaga. Is this true? Anyone have pics or know why it's being built? |
A coupLe friends & I caMped @ Gonzaga in OcT o9...
EroSion has occureD over the years that looks to bE compromising tHe seaward legs of the Large BeacH Palapas of RanCho Grande.
-Some LeGs are Airborne !!
with their BaLLs of cement exposed !!!
(haha, Not as exCiTinG a$ iT sOUndS peOpLes) !.
Good O bad?
After watching the work for a few dAys, we came t0 the coNclusion thAT the 'WaLL' loOks like a Temp fix for the beach er0sion to eXtend the liFe of
the Palapas... w!LL The waLL stop anYTh!Ng seriou$?... water? ...nah.
...Its cut the distance of the southerN Palapas up to and around (yes, it dips closer to the water here) the forever empty rock house/restouRante
@the end of the Runway. - a trench about 3 ft deep, 1 ft wide, built of rock/cobLestone and a little cement - then Mostly Burried in sand/dirt.
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by FAr tHe most whaLeShaRks weVe eVer sEEn @ GonzagA.
-Gar
and a wOrd from CoCO...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sasBtHUQqlg
! PrEFeRiR!A eSTaR eN baJa !
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
build it and they will come......
i for one would like to have a casita there one day. if i could drive as an option - all the better.
i don't think much will happen unless they get power - that is eons away. |
Don't be too sure... Power lines heading south from San Felipe may not be too far behind pavememnt, or Sr. Rodriguez (Los Pinos boss) will generate
electricity for his expanded Rancho Grande, as he already does for the mini-market there.
The main issues preventing development are likely the REDUCED number of Norteamericanos going to Mexico or moving to Mexico because of the
narco-terrorism and economic crash up here. There is no 'local population' to speak of at Gonzaga (like there is at L.A. Bay) to bring poer in for...
yet. |
David----------and water?????????? Where, oh where, are they going to find good water??? It will take time, for sure. 
Barry
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
build it and they will come......
i for one would like to have a casita there one day. if i could drive as an option - all the better.
i don't think much will happen unless they get power - that is eons away. |
Don't be too sure... Power lines heading south from San Felipe may not be too far behind pavememnt, or Sr. Rodriguez (Los Pinos boss) will generate
electricity for his expanded Rancho Grande, as he already does for the mini-market there.
The main issues preventing development are likely the REDUCED number of Norteamericanos going to Mexico or moving to Mexico because of the
narco-terrorism and economic crash up here. There is no 'local population' to speak of at Gonzaga (like there is at L.A. Bay) to bring poer in for...
yet. |
David----------and water?????????? Where, oh where, are they going to find good water??? It will take time, for sure.
Barry |
Yes, water is needed too... If they don't desalinate the sea water... then they could run a pipe to Arroyo Santa Maria and pull it out of the ground.
That's how San Felipe does it... several wells about 12 miles south in the arroyo pulling out sierra water.
Here I am in Santa Maria Canyon, just west of Gonzaga Bay (Punta Final), far below the mission. (about where the last 'N' is in CANYON in my map
below)
Below is Las Palmitas oasis, behind me... it is just south of Arroyo Santa Maria and west of Punta Final...
[Edited on 1-17-2010 by David K]
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Barry A.
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Maybe------------but the "Sierra" behind Gonzaga is not nearly as productive (little rain) as the San Pedro Martir Plateau----------I am skeptical.
-----and "de-salinazation" takes LOTS of power------?!?!?!?!
I am not going to "hold my breath" on this one.
Barry
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David K
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Naturally, I hope none of it happens... It is bound for failure without power, water, labor population, other businesses...
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Naturally, I hope none of it happens... It is bound for failure without power, water, labor population, other businesses... |
------and that area is so fantastic that I think it qualifies for National Park status--------keep it just the way it is, and make the existing 3
facilities concessionairs, and grandfather the homes in as "in-holdings". Lordy, I hate to see that area ruined by over-development, and then
subsequent decay. A Mexican decision for sure, tho. None of my business other than my emotional rantings.
Barry
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norte
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Barry, Just stop. When was the last time you were south of the border? You are just like I am and stay North, so keep your comments relative to
North of he border BS
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David
Isn't that a very short term solution to increased population? Maybe we can run a line from the Colorado River as well. Face it. Water is very
limited and some areas are going to be dry. Including much of Baja, thus keeping Norte Americanos(as well as other) away.
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
build it and they will come......
i for one would like to have a casita there one day. if i could drive as an option - all the better.
i don't think much will happen unless they get power - that is eons away. |
Don't be too sure... Power lines heading south from San Felipe may not be too far behind pavememnt, or Sr. Rodriguez (Los Pinos boss) will generate
electricity for his expanded Rancho Grande, as he already does for the mini-market there.
The main issues preventing development are likely the REDUCED number of Norteamericanos going to Mexico or moving to Mexico because of the
narco-terrorism and economic crash up here. There is no 'local population' to speak of at Gonzaga (like there is at L.A. Bay) to bring poer in for...
yet. |
David----------and water?????????? Where, oh where, are they going to find good water??? It will take time, for sure.
Barry |
Yes, water is needed too... If they don't desalinate the sea water... then they could run a pipe to Arroyo Santa Maria and pull it out of the ground.
That's how San Felipe does it... several wells about 12 miles south in the arroyo pulling out sierra water.
Here I am in Santa Maria Canyon, just west of Gonzaga Bay (Punta Final), far below the mission. (about where the last 'N' is in CANYON in my map
below)
Below is Las Palmitas oasis, behind me... it is just south of Arroyo Santa Maria and west of Punta Final...
[Edited on 1-17-2010 by David K] |
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by norte
Barry, Just stop. When was the last time you were south of the border? You are just like I am and stay North, so keep your comments relative to
North of he border BS |
Wow, like
Gonzaga has "changed" in the last 4 years???? You DO have a point, but I still reserve the right to comment on the few things that I still have
reasonably current knowledge of. Few, if any, are interested in my comments on the NOMADS board of things North of the border, I am thinking.
So, where does THAT leave me??????? 
Barry
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