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This is how the Mexican surrender begins...
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U.S. Ambassador in Mexico, Carlos Pascual, today welcomed the new Mexican government security strategy for Ciudad Juarez, in changing the command from
the Army to the Federal Police.
'What the government has done now is taking an intelligent and proper step: to introduce the federal police, which has all the legal capacity, and put
them in the lead in the fight against drug traffickers," Pascual said in an interview.
http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Nacional/24012...
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In my opinion, this is a surrender to the narcos. The federal police will be bought off in a New York minute
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I can be fairly cynical. but this appears more like a move to appease international critics of human rights violations by the army. If our ambassador
and the State Department appear to concur with this decision, it would mean that either they are tacitly encouraging such a surrender (as you put it),
or they have been completely hoodwinked by Calderon and his people.
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I concur with Arrowhead. This is the beginning of the end. Jesus H-Christ what are they thinking in Mexico changing of the guard like that. If the USA
and the International community is b-tching that there are human rights abuses we/they need to shut our collective mouths and let Mexico fight the
F-ing war against the Narcos! If anything else, Mexico needs to saturate the violent areas of Mexico with thousands of troops and go door to door
block by block building by building ranch by ranch and under every stone to eliminate these scumbag monsters. UFFF!
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The army in Juarez was completely corrupt, or at least the general in charge and its top officers. They needed to be changed, but they wont admit
there was corruption there. I wouldn't see this as a pullout, this is only happening in Juarez, not in other states.
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The US should be the last ones complaining about human rights abuses.
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Pot Calling the Kettle
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The US should be the last ones complaining about human rights abuses. |
Please note that I mentioned "international" complaints. There are plenty of folks around the world who complain about the US record on human rights.
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"F" the Terrorists and "F" the Narcos, waterboard the hell out of them. I somehow do not think that the Narcos are getting any torturous treatment. I
bet they sing like canaries when brought in for interrogation. F-ing cowards. But, if Waterboarding is necessary then by all means be my guest force
them to sing like canaries if needed! Stop the Namby-Pamby treatment!
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I'm sure they have used the old soda water with chili powder up the nose treatment on more than a few narcos.
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David- I really can understand your frustration with the narco situation. However, there is a much bigger picture to consider. I really don't want to
initiate a bunch of posts about the demand for drugs NOB, but what i'm sensing from your posts is that ANY end can be justified by the means. the
major problem with an all-out assault on these rameras, is the idea of whether one can go home again.
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Howard the Mexican Government cannot afford to PUSSYFOOT around any longer. The more lax the government gets, the worse the problem becomes. Once and
for all they need to go en mass and clean out the bad guys city to city town to town village to village rancho to rancho. That way the good people can
return to a normal way of living. There needs to be MASSIVE VIOLENCE on the part of the Mexican Armed Forces toward the Narcos. They,
the Army need to go in and start killing these scumbags. PERIOD! I say this regardless of the demand for drugs here in the USA. I for one do not use
illegal drugs so if the supply is cut off I will not be affected. To hell with the bellyachers politically correct pinheads who say to treat these
criminals with kid-gloves. Let them complain all they want. Just get the F-ing job done!
Was I too harsh in my assessment?
Ok, I know it's tar and feather time for me!
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David, the corruption runs too deep into the Mexican bureaucracy and the ties to the narco money are way too involved for your idea to work. It would
be like trying to remove a cancerous tumor that entirely surrounds your brain.
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Arrowhead they can at least give my thoughts a run for the money (Pardon the pun) and see what happens. All it can do is succeed or fail. The
government just needs to take that FIRST BOLD STEP and give it a chance!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R
Howard the Mexican Government cannot afford to PUSSYFOOT around any longer. The more lax the government gets, the worse the problem becomes. Once and
for all they need to go en mass and clean out the bad guys city to city town to town village to village rancho to rancho. That way the good people can
return to a normal way of living. There needs to be MASSIVE VIOLENCE on the part of the Mexican Armed Forces toward the Narcos. They,
the Army need to go in and start killing these scumbags. PERIOD! I say this regardless of the demand for drugs here in the USA. I for one do not use
illegal drugs so if the supply is cut off I will not be affected. To hell with the bellyachers politically correct pinheads who say to treat these
criminals with kid-gloves. Let them complain all they want. Just get the F-ing job done!
Was I too harsh in my assessment?
Ok, I know it's tar and feather time for me!
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The USA created the FBI in the 1930's as a direct result of all the bank robbers and gangsters- the narcos of their day. A totally new agency from
scratch. Mexico would benefit in many ways from starting fresh too IMHO.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Woooosh, Mexico needs several units of Delta Force type units so when they get intelligence as to the whereabouts of a Narco’s hideout they can go in
full force and kill every single Narco present! It should be a "Top Secret" operation. Meanwhile the Narco’s numbers keep dwindling for some reason.
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ELINVESTIG8R, spoken like true Marine.. Huuurraaa!! 
Turn you lose... oh, man.. the fur would fly... 
[Edited on 1-25-2010 by wessongroup]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R
Woooosh, Mexico needs several units of Delta Force type units so when they get intelligence as to the whereabouts of a Narco’s hideout they can go in
full force and kill every single Narco present! It should be a "Top Secret" operation. Meanwhile the Narco’s numbers keep dwindling for some reason.
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I would bet they're in Mexico working with the Calderon gov. I just finished reading "Killing Pablo" which is about the hunt for and killing of Pablo
Escobar. A Delta Force contingent was instrumental in finding his hideout using state of the art satellite telephone signal locating devices.
[Edited on 1-25-2010 by k-rico]
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AAhhh, roger that
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Survival Of the Fittest?
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Meanwhile the Narco’s numbers keep dwindling for some reason. |
Fewer narcos may actually mean less violence, even if, in the end, the actual amount of trafficking does not decline. Who knows, if maybe that might
be the end game Calderon has in mind?
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I'm currently thinking that the rise of La Familia Michoacana in Calderon's home state sparked his war on drugs. Unlike the older, traditional
cartels, La Familia has strong quasi-religious and political aspects to it. Much more dangerous than common organized crime.
IF things ever get back to normal drug trafficking with a moderate amount of violence, politicians/police accepting the willing payment of "taxes" by
the cartel leaders, and the cartels minding their own business, the war will stop. Perhaps the objective is to end the social aspirations of the
cartels, not necessarily the drug flow.
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I can only hope Mexico is allowing the US Government to help them with their war against the various drug cartels. I am sure President Calderon wants
the drug cartel leaders caught or killed and I am sure he is using all available resources to capture or kill them. I wish Mexico would pass a death
penalty so it can be used in certain instances. One of those instances should be when any government official from the top all the way down to the
lowest municipal official is consorting with drug cartel people and results in the death of innocent officials or citizen. Another is when a drug
cartel leader is convicted he/she needs to be subject to the death penalty for ordering murders of innocent officials and citizens. And still another
reason to give the death penalty is for hired killers who carry out the orders of the drug cartels and to kill innocent officials and citizens. These
are only a couple of examples where the death penalty needs to be carried out. My thought is the cartels should be shown no mercy and should be killed
during arrest or immediately after conviction if not sooner. NO MORE PUSSYFOOTING AROUND!
Edit: To change a word here and there!
[Edited on 1-26-2010 by ELINVESTIG8R]
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