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OCEANUS
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Construction in Bahia de Las Animas??
There have been some reports on the Bloody Decks website regarding an wealthy individual (telecommunications guy) who is using barges to transport
construction supplies into Bahia de Las Animas to build a home/hotel.
Has anyone here heard of this?
If it is true...
1) Where is this person placing the structure?
2) Is the site near the yurts that claim to be in Las Animas, or is he actually building closer to the fish camps south of there?
3) Who actually owns the land that he is building on?
Thank you, any news would be appreciated
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Sharksbaja
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Ask DK the "promoter". Where else can you get panoramic views of sensitive yet desirable coastal places.
I hear there is fresh water there. Golf anyone??
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Sharksbaja
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I swear to God David, if they develop that area I'll put the blame directly on you.
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marv sherrill
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It is actually at Pescador, which is also called Las Animas - why I don't know - its Carlos Slim -he has a giant barge in LA bay and transports lots
of stuff - so far just a couple of giant fancy palapas to go with the cabanas that have been there for quite a while - I don't know what his ultimate
plans are but probably "condos and a giant golf course"....ain't gonna happen - no worries -
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Barry A.
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-----------again, no fresh water known of at, or near, Bahia de las Animas. Yurts are not in Animas, but are quite a bit north.
Barry
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Sharksbaja
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Ok then.... nevermind
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BornFisher
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
I swear to God David, if they develop that area I'll put the blame directly on you. |
If you are serious here, please explain how DK is to blame!
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Diver
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BornFisher
| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
I swear to God David, if they develop that area I'll put the blame directly on you. |
If you are serious here, please explain how DK is to blame! |
Is it possible that DK posted and then deleted his posts; as he so often does ?
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David K
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Yah, this is getting old... they were some old rock walls and circles that someone found in 1966 and thought they could be connected to a proposed
mission on a 1757 map. I talked by phone to the head archeologist who has published research papers on the area... NOTHING UNIQUE (or fragile)...
It was special to Choral Pepper that I would find the site, and with your help (and blessing to do so) I published the trip here and on Discover Baja,
with credit to YOU (with the name you asked me to use) for showing me what you saw on Google Earth... that indeed turned out to be the site I had made
several searches for and nobody in the Erle Stanley Gardner party could remember where it was.
So Corky, let it go... there are many mystery walls in Baja. You helped me find ONE that was special to me, now you have some need to make it
something else entirely.
The story and photos can be seen on my site: http://vivabaja.com/109
This wall is easily seen by anyone at Las Animas or from the road to Las Animas if they look towards the hill, 2 miles from the beach.
You have since found other walls and keeping them secret... for whatever purpose that has, so you can enjoy them and call them your secret walls. They
are probably known by others, and they will still be there for hundreds of years... just like the points on the Pacific side of Baja... If it makes
you happy to not tell anyone, then great. Just because it isn't on Baja Nomad doesn't mean others don't already know!  
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Diver
| Quote: | Originally posted by BornFisher
| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
I swear to God David, if they develop that area I'll put the blame directly on you. |
If you are serious here, please explain how DK is to blame! |
Is it possible that DK posted and then deleted his posts; as he so often does ?
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No, not the case... You also need a life on Nomad beyond picking on me... Let's play fair, okay?: Only pick on me whenever I pick on you, okay
Diver... That should be ... ummm, let's see... oh yah, NEVER! 
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Diver
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A bit over-sensitive tonight ? 
I am not aware of the background so only asked the question.
I know you wouldn't deny that you delete your posts at times.
A simple "No, not this time." would have been fine.
We've been through the "get a life" thing before and you lost.
I think that counts as an attack; what do you think ?
I could post quotes of you picking on me in the past but you've probably deleted them already. 
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Diver
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So why IS Sharky peaved at DK ??
Did he discover and market the land to the developers or something ?
Post a GPS coordinate for someone ?
What ?
Sharky ?? DK ??
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Martyman
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We stopped by once to check out the fancy palapas. Just a caretaker and his family. Tried to get a beer...not for sale. Scenic place.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Diver
So why IS Sharky peaved at DK ??
Did he discover and market the land to the developers or something ?
Post a GPS coordinate for someone ?
What ?
Sharky ?? DK ?? |
I think I explained pretty well above... but, apparently not good enough... If you have been reading my posts here since 2002 and Amigos de Baja up to
2003 when it died, then you will know I have been seeking a rock wall, on a hillside, south of Bahia de los Angeles... A wall found by the Erle
Stanley Gardner expedition of Feb., 1966 when they opened the road south to San Freancisquito.
I made a web page about the old map and Choral Pepper who was there and took two photos of the wall site, was helping and hoping I could find it: http://vivabaja.com/1757 Those photos were published in her Desert magazine a few months later... She, nor others still alive in 2001 could
remember where excatly they were... With so many other discoveries they made, this one was not major... In Gardner's 1967 'Off the Beaten Track in
Baja' covering that trip, it wasn't included.
Sharks spotted what looked like a wall on a hillside while looking at Google Earth... and showed it to me, wondering if that was the wall. Naturally,
I wouldn't know unless I went there... so New Years, 2009, we did... and it was the wall in the 1966 photo... and I told Sharks... and I asked him how
he would like to be mentioned in the article I was going to write, and he told me to use his full name, and that should have been the end of it.
But, there seemed to be a need to make drama so he has ever since nagged at me for writing the article, after he gave his blessing and knew that was
my quest all these years... I thanked him many times for helping me find the site... I don't know what else to do, it is beyond me.
It is just an old wall and some typical sleeping circles, found all over the area. It was special because Choral Pepper thought it may have been a
proposed mission being started called Santa Maria Magdalena, because of that 1757 map showing a mission by that name as being 'started' south of L.A.
Bay.
Choral's 1973 Baja missions and mysteries book describes the site and Tom Miller's 1974 'The Baja Book' uses Choral's information for his mission
chapter... That makes it interesting to me and important to share with everyone who loves Baja... so we might find an answer.
Keeping a rock wall location a 'secret' helps nobody and furthers no education on California history. It is only a secret to you for not sharing, but
it is likely well known to the people of the area, archeologists, etc. You can see the wall from the beach, 2 miles away at Las Animas! How secret is
that?
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rob
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Four years ago in San Diego I saw a/the master plan for Las Animas by the (then) owner's group. How things are changing.
This beautiful bay had to be one of my favorite places in all of Baja for remote camping - but no water we ever found.
Somewhere I have a picture of our rotty nose to nose with a dolphin (porpoise?).
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Diver
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Ah, thanks for the explanation DK.
I don't often follow the historical posts so I probably missed it - not really my thing.
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David K
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You are welcome Diver...
Baja has some fascinating history... keeps me rivited to the peninsula's mysteries... It is where 'California' really began, afterall!
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Sharksbaja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Diver
Ah, thanks for the explanation DK.
I don't often follow the historical posts so I probably missed it - not really my thing. |
David please! You know darn well that even if you had discovered artifacts
there you would still downplay it and still post all about where how and who, you can't help yourself. Just like you do with your right-wing crap.
Truth is you don't really know if that old wall holds historical significance or not. Do you?
Diver, David is always right according to him.
Who said there is no water there, David?
btw, those rocks all over Baja with art on them are just rocks.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
| Quote: | Originally posted by Diver
Ah, thanks for the explanation DK.
I don't often follow the historical posts so I probably missed it - not really my thing. |
David please! You know darn well that even if you had discovered artifacts
there you would still downplay it and still post all about where how and who, you can't help yourself. Just like you do with your right-wing crap.
Truth is you don't really know if that old wall holds historical significance or not. Do you?
Diver, David is always right according to him.
Who said there is no water there, David?
btw, those rocks all over Baja with art on them are just rocks. |
You know Corky, I thought we were friends on here... yet, you continue to bring this up and mis-quote me and accuse me of crap.
"Downplay it?"... I do just the opposite... I expose anything good about Baja to encourage the people brave enough to go to see history, first hand...
and help the economy. Secrets help nobody.
I contacted the lead archeologist researching the Las Animas site... and there is nothing 'significant' about that rock wall site.
The real 'crime' is the real missions dissappearing before our eyes and our exposing the historic sites PRESERVES them and makes their plight known to
more, so better chance of someting being done.
If there were artifacts I most certanly would show them... before one of your hotel developers tears it all down, someday!
The photos I take and others have taken the past 100 + years is preservation! At least in the photios the future can see the sites the way we did.
I didn't say a thing about water availability there... I asked Marv Sherrill about the area's water... as he used to bring his class there every year
for a week. In 1966, the fishernen distilled sea water there...
The date palm indicates there was water or is near the surface at the site.
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Bajahowodd
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It has been an interesting couple of days for DK. Must have something to do with the rain.
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