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Woooosh
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Where have all the border security cameras gone?
A few years back, in the middle of the huge crime wave that swept through Baja Norte and before the military were called in, TJ installed dozens- if
not hundreds of security cameras around the city for public safety.
The via rapida route from the San Ysidro border crossing to the Rosarito toll road entrance was covered with them. Now there are just the poles and
hanging cables where the cameras were mounted.
The most recent state department travel warning specifically mentions TJ driving dangers for tourists- so where did all the cameras go that were there
to protect them? Even non-working cameras deter crime, missing cameras do not.
"Criminals have followed and harassed U.S. citizens traveling in their vehicles in border areas including Nuevo Laredo, Matamoros, and Tijuana."
I do remember the police and military had dual access to the camera controls. Both sides were using camera footage to accuse each other of extorting
cash from people- with some specific instances of dollars clearly changing hands in camera view.
So did the leaders of TJ figure they couldn't stop the infighting and corruption between the Police and Military (that made them both look worse)- so
they took all the cameras down and let the tourists just fend for themselves? How did that work out for them so far? Not well- because now Mexico is
complaining the border travel security alerts are unfair? So put the cameras back up already. JMHO.
[Edited on 2-24-2010 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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wessongroup
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they might have gotten stolen .... they are quite expensive.. had thought about putting one up.. but, then having it outside .. well, thought it might
just kinda disappear
just a guess.. don't know.. seems they solve crimes with them in England.. have coverage where they can follow the perpetrator "back" to where they
started from.. the coverage is that good within the City
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torch
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Yea, I'd like to see the cameras back and I don't mind cameras anywhere. People doing things they do not want to be seen doing, are the ones who
don't like cameras (for safty reasons).
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
they might have gotten stolen .... they are quite expensive.. had thought about putting one up.. but, then having it outside .. well, thought it might
just kinda disappear
just a guess.. don't know.. seems they solve crimes with them in England.. have coverage where they can follow the perpetrator "back" to where they
started from.. the coverage is that good within the City |
I installed a camera that was stolen but got some great footage of the guy who stole it . the police say they know the guy and will let me know when
caught 
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wessongroup
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That is exactly what I was thinking.. have great color footage of the individual setting in my chair, eating food from my refrigerator, then taking my
items and lastly the camera.. with a big full face shot as he disconnects it...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
they might have gotten stolen .... they are quite expensive.. had thought about putting one up.. but, then having it outside .. well, thought it might
just kinda disappear
just a guess.. don't know.. seems they solve crimes with them in England.. have coverage where they can follow the perpetrator "back" to where they
started from.. the coverage is that good within the City |
They may not be as expensive as you think.
http://www.surveillance-video.com/2csbn160.html
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torch
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
they might have gotten stolen .... they are quite expensive.. had thought about putting one up.. but, then having it outside .. well, thought it might
just kinda disappear
just a guess.. don't know.. seems they solve crimes with them in England.. have coverage where they can follow the perpetrator "back" to where they
started from.. the coverage is that good within the City |
They may not be as expensive as you think.
http://www.surveillance-video.com/2csbn160.html |
But in that area of T.J. they look like diamonds
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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by torch
| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
they might have gotten stolen .... they are quite expensive.. had thought about putting one up.. but, then having it outside .. well, thought it might
just kinda disappear
just a guess.. don't know.. seems they solve crimes with them in England.. have coverage where they can follow the perpetrator "back" to where they
started from.. the coverage is that good within the City |
They may not be as expensive as you think.
http://www.surveillance-video.com/2csbn160.html |
But in that area of T.J. they look like diamonds |
Just throw in some wrought iron cages!
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I thoroughly understand public support for surveillance cameras in known areas of high crime. However, since 9/11, in particular, there has been an
explosion of surveillance all over the world. You can find cameras being used in just about every major and mid-sized city. Last checked, Chicago had
1500 cameras in operation. Then, there's the program whereby cameras are installed on major highways and bridges, photographing each license plate
that passes by and transmits the information in real time to an FBI data base. Maybe I'm too old and out of touch, but I always thought freedom was
something that did not include being constantly watched wherever one goes.
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DENNIS
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Don't forget to mention the school laptops with the built in webcam. Some things have definitly gone too far.
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torch
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IMO unfortuneatly there are people in this world who deserve to have their freedom taken away and if the cameras help , let the footage roll.
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Catch 22 of big brother.
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. "
Benjamin Franklin
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If I was to agree to the extent that there are "some" people that fall into such a category, they would still constitute a small minority. So, maybe
Bin Laden already won. That old cliche about "they hate us for our freedoms" thing. which was actually a red herring anyway. Orwell was a prophet.
society, it seems, has acquiesced to the loss of privacy.
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Its not just cameras - that is the least of it.
Internet usage, Google searches, bank, cell phones - you name it they are archiving, watching and analyzing the info.
Booo
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torch
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I'm talking about cameras and bad guys you guys are heading towards "Logans Run"
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Don't have to. It's already here.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by torch
I'm talking about cameras and bad guys you guys are heading towards "Logans Run" |
The cameras that prompted this thread are indeed gone. My cousin in Playas Tijuana says they were stolen.
Am I the only one that gets the irony of Mexico complaining about the new security alerts while watching the cameras installed on the via rapida
specifically to protect tourists be stolen one by one? Sounds like crocodile tears to me...
Cameras and locks- Both the same. Only work to keep honest people honest and criminals find ways around them.
I post two signs in Spanish on my property that says all activities that take place are recorded. The parking spaces in front of my house fill-up
first- so it doesn't scare away any honest people looking for a safe place to park. The c-ckroaches hide in the shadows.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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Tijuana Command Center, street cameras as observed 1/6/2007
I wonder if this operation has just shut down? We attended a tour of this facility with fdt a couple of years ago. It really looked like a scene
from 24 or the Bourne Identity.
[Edited on 2-26-2010 by tripledigitken]
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torch
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woooosh I should have put the "ones" in quotes to the "ones" I was responding to. I'm all for "keeping the honest ones honest".
[Edited on 2-25-2010 by torch]
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Cameras make me nervous. Mexico has turned lousy response time into an art form so what real good are they? Apprehension and prosecution? What a
joke.
I'm glad the boxes and their false security are gone.
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