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Great pictures Diane. The desert should be even more beautiful with all the recent rains. Glad your son had a god trip
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I always enjoy your photos... but, I think you should consider the source of the money talk...
"But it just does not seem quite OK when we heard Jose's youngest son ask his cousin if he got money from us---"
Those were both kids, not adults, not Jose who discussed money, right?
Money means an aweful lot to kids who have zero for getting the few things they can to make life more fun for them out there. I am sure Jose would
strongly dis-approve, don't you?
For Nomads who have not visited San Borja... it is a delight and worth every penny of whatever you care to donate for the tour service Jose's family
provides... Here is what Jose looked like (in Sandals shirt and hat) this past summer:
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
I always enjoy your photos... but, I think you should consider the source of the money talk...
"But it just does not seem quite OK when we heard Jose's youngest son ask his cousin if he got money from us---"
Those were both kids, not adults, not Jose who discussed money, right?
Money means an aweful lot to kids who have zero for getting the few things they can to make life more fun for them out there. I am sure Jose would
strongly dis-approve, don't you?
For Nomads who have not visited San Borja... it is a delight and worth every penny of whatever you care to donate for the tour service Jose's family
provides... Here is what Jose looked like (in Sandals shirt and hat) this past summer:
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I guess I was not clear---the youngest son is not a child anymore. He is a young adult.
It is not about paying them for what they do---we pay very generously just for them being there and watching over the mission.
It is a matter of teaching the the young ones to get more, and more and as much as they can---it is an attitude that does take away from the
experience.
Since this is a reflection of one's upbringing, I doubt Jose would disapprove. We have seen this same attitude with other members of the family in
the past. We ignored it. BTW, it was the adult women who told the young boy to get more money when John wandered off toward the cemetery --- it is
not a child thing.
We will keep going back and we will keep paying without hesitation. We just find the attitude unfortunate especially since he is such an interesting
young man. But, he is what he learned.
The downside of learning more Spanish is hearing comments one would rather not have understood.
[Edited on 3-5-2010 by DianaT]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
Great pictures Diane. The desert should be even more beautiful with all the recent rains. Glad your son had a god trip |
Roads bad, desert amazingly beautiful and green. There are more flowers in the north and the ones in the south are beginning.
Can't wait to get back down.
Sorry we missed you last time---
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Diana, excellent green desert shots and very fitting visual reference to Dr. Seuss. Coincidentally, his birthday was this past Tuesday.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Seuss
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Thanks for taking me along on your great trip, Diane. I thoroughly enjoyed myself.
About those cactus entwining with the mesquite trees. From the Cactus Sanctuary guide I learned that those cactus and trees have an incredible
relationship. Entwining with the tree provides support for the cactus, keeping it safe from wind and storm damage. That entwining also provides
supports for the mesquite trees to climb and therefore they become taller, too. A mutual 'lean on me' relationship. The guide said that in entirely
natural deserts of long ago Mexico, this type of growth was the norm.
And what's really interesting is that over time the mesquite trees sorta meld with the cactus, and cactus sprouts begin to grow right out of the tree.
At first I thought the cactus was merely sprouting from 'crotches' in the tree branches, rooting in the accumulated debris. Guide told me not so....
and showed me spots where the cactus was growing directly out of open branches.
Honest to goddess. I'll look for some pix.
nena
[Edited on 3-5-2010 by Natalie Ann]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by El Camote
Diana, excellent green desert shots and very fitting visual reference to Dr. Seuss. Coincidentally, his birthday was this past Tuesday.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Seuss |
Thanks for the comments. And yes, we celebrated his birthday by having Green Eggs and Ham for breakfast.
When the son who was with us was young that was his favorite book and I had to read it so many times that I think I still know it by heart!
Loved Dr. Suess,
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Natalie Ann
Thanks for taking me along on your great trip, Diane. I thoroughly enjoyed myself.
About those cactus entwining with the mesquite trees. From the Cactus Sanctuary guide I learned that those cactus and trees have an incredible
relationship. Entwining with the tree provides support for the cactus, keeping it safe from wind and storm damage. That entwining also provides
supports for the mesquite trees to climb and therefore they become taller, too. A mutual 'lean on me' relationship. The guide said that in entirely
natural deserts of long ago Mexico, this type of growth was the norm.
And what's really interesting is that over time the mesquite trees sorta meld with the cactus, and cactus sprouts begin to grow right out of the tree.
At first I thought the cactus was merely sprouting from 'crotches' in the tree branches, rooting in the accumulated debris. Guide told me not so....
and showed me spots where the cactus was growing directly out of open branches.
Honest to goddess. I'll look for some pix.
nena
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Hope you find the pix. Love finding out more about the flora---interesting information.
I still, however, think they look like snakes climbing around. 
Diane
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Would you eat them in a boat? Would you eat them with a goat?
Diane;
How long does it take to drive from Bahia de LA to Bahia Asuncion? How many hours?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Martyman
Would you eat them in a boat? Would you eat them with a goat?
Diane;
How long does it take to drive from Bahia de LA to Bahia Asuncion? How many hours? |
OK, we do not own a stop watch for exact times, nor a gps, and our times always vary. But here goes.
Now, going the way we did this time, we left Bahia Asuncion at 7 AM mas or menos and arrived at Bahia de Los Angeles at 5 PM mas or menos and
remember, we got one hour back at the border crossing. So, it was about 11 hours which included at stop at the bank, stop for gas, stop for
breakfast, stops for dogs, stops for photos, stops for John's sciatica, stop at the mission, and lots of slow driving due to road conditions and son
with front end problems.
Now, going the paved way, it is about 5 hours mas o menos for us with no stops---and we never go without stops.
About 45 minutes from BOLA to the highway. About 1 1/2 hours to Guerrero Negro, 45 minutes to Vizcaino, and a now a good 2 hours to Bahia Asuncion
because of the TERRIBLE road out of Vizcaino--I think that adds up.
Again, that is us and does not include any stops.
We know some who do it in far less time----they are the ones streaking past us on blind curves.
And to answer your first question.
I like green eggs and ham!
I do! I like them, Sam-I-am!
And I would eat them in a boat.
And I would eat them with a goat...
And I will eat them in the rain.
And in the dark. And on a train.
And in a car. And in a tree.
They are so good, so good, you see!
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You know, Diane, that monk's robe really weirds me out. You posted it before and it gave me bad dreams....
like some demented sand jabbie had come to call. 
I'm not sure I could take the real life vision of it at San Borja...
but I'm glad you showed me it's there.
btw... posted the cactus/tree pix on another thread so as not to hijack yours anymore.
nena
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Natalie Ann
You know, Diane, that monk's robe really weirds me out. You posted it before and it gave me bad dreams....
like some demented sand jabbie had come to call.
I'm not sure I could take the real life vision of it at San Borja...
but I'm glad you showed me it's there.
btw... posted the cactus/tree pix on another thread so as not to hijack yours anymore.
nena
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The one I posted before was a photo from before---it was darker and had a lot of noise. I promised myself I would get a new one and did---there are
other robes there, but this one just grab me before and had the same effect on me this time---that is why I know the spirit is still in there. I am
sure of it. 
Happy dreams and light a candle for Friar Spirit
Going to check out your new thread---looking forward to it.
Diane
BTW, these are all new pix and now I see some I want to play with next time----maybe more monk pictures.
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"Since this is a reflection of one's upbringing, I doubt Jose would disapprove. We have seen this same attitude with other members of the family in
the past."
Diane, I think that is not nice to paint on Jose... I have been there many times and there never was any such attitude with us... this included trips
with other Nomads as well (Bedman, Debra, Sonora Wind, Neal Johns, Amo Pescar, etc.)
There was a lady last July who was in charge of inside the mission tours... she is Catholic...
Jose and family are not allowed to give mission tours because they are not Catholic.
Jose had been hired to do resoration... so maybe after all these months, that Catholic lady is finally consenting to letting Jose's family help her
inside the mission grounds.
That lady (don't remember her name) handed us a card that gave donation instructions... I would suspect that she and not Jose is behind the money
scam.
Anyway, as I said before... I always like you photos. Thanks.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
"Since this is a reflection of one's upbringing, I doubt Jose would disapprove. We have seen this same attitude with other members of the family in
the past."
Diane, I think that is not nice to paint on Jose... I have been there many times and there never was any such attitude with us... this included trips
with other Nomads as well (Bedman, Debra, Sonora Wind, Neal Johns, Amo Pescar, etc.)
There was a lady last July who was in charge of inside the mission tours... she is Catholic...
Jose and family are not allowed to give mission tours because they are not Catholic.
Jose had been hired to do resoration... so maybe after all these months, that Catholic lady is finally consenting to letting Jose's family help her
inside the mission grounds.
That lady (don't remember her name) handed us a card that gave donation instructions... I would suspect that she and not Jose is behind the money
scam.
Anyway, as I said before... I always like you photos. Thanks. |
David,
Please just go away and don't start on me again. You have your experiences, we have our's. I don't give a rip about how you perceive things-- when
you go there, share your experiences, and allow us the same right. We ignored what we have seen in the past, and chose not to ignore it now. It has
been a part of our experiences there.
You have the right to your opinions, but I am sick of being called a liar, not nice, and other such things by you. I am also sick of your constant
lectures about situations about which you know nothing. It happens over and over-- back off.
[Edited on 3-6-2010 by DianaT]
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heh, heh!
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That Catholic lady, Huh. Its all her fault and you don't even know her. You dnt like Catholics now?
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
"Since this is a reflection of one's upbringing, I doubt Jose would disapprove. We have seen this same attitude with other members of the family in
the past."
Diane, I think that is not nice to paint on Jose... I have been there many times and there never was any such attitude with us... this included trips
with other Nomads as well (Bedman, Debra, Sonora Wind, Neal Johns, Amo Pescar, etc.)
There was a lady last July who was in charge of inside the mission tours... she is Catholic...
Jose and family are not allowed to give mission tours because they are not Catholic.
Jose had been hired to do resoration... so maybe after all these months, that Catholic lady is finally consenting to letting Jose's family help her
inside the mission grounds.
That lady (don't remember her name) handed us a card that gave donation instructions... I would suspect that she and not Jose is behind the money
scam.
Anyway, as I said before... I always like you photos. Thanks. |
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That's so freaking funny... How is it that you say I say things, that you can read I didn't say!
I wish you would just lay off the poor Mexicans who have been so nice to everyone else... Making Jose and his kids sound like Gypsies isn't a very
amigo thing to do.
Too bad as a guest, you can't be more gracious to this poor family... oh well. I am just trying to be fair to a good family...
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David, How can you say this when you are quoted as saying
"There was a lady last July who was in charge of inside the mission tours... she is Catholic..." and
"That lady (don't remember her name) handed us a card that gave donation instructions... I would suspect that she and not Jose is behind the money
scam."
How hypocritical can you get?
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That's so freaking funny... How is it that you say I say things, that you can read I didn't say!
I wish you would just lay off the poor Mexicans who have been so nice to everyone else... Making Jose and his kids sound like Gypsies isn't a very
amigo thing to do.
Too bad as a guest, you can't be more gracious to this poor family... oh well. I am just trying to be fair to a good family...
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Some of my best drinking buddies were Catholics
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That Catholic lady, Huh. Its all her fault and you don't even know her. You dnt like Catholics now?
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Of course I was 10 and they were priests, but what the heck! At least I could hold my booze!
I wonder how long before this post of Diana's post will come down to "Lefty attitudes" and the ruination of America.
[Edited on 3-6-2010 by soulpatch]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
That's so freaking funny... How is it that you say I say things, that you can read I didn't say!
I wish you would just lay off the poor Mexicans who have been so nice to everyone else... Making Jose and his kids sound like Gypsies isn't a very
amigo thing to do.
Too bad as a guest, you can't be more gracious to this poor family... oh well. I am just trying to be fair to a good family...
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And your accusations and name calling continue---as always. You just cannot resist --- you are a very sad puppy.
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