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capt. mike
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settle a discussion on Japanese long liners
i say they have in recent past been illegally fishing in mexican or SOC waters.
yes or no??
other guy does biz with Japanese and claims that is simply "not in their character".
well.....????????
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| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
i say they have in recent past been illegally fishing in mexican or SOC waters.
yes or no??
other guy does biz with Japanese and claims that is simply "not in their character".
well.....???????? |
well, they kill whales for food market, and justify it by calling it "research." they also kill dolphins for food. what does that tell you about
character of fishermen?
btw, no culture is immune from illegal fishing practices.
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Just loved the approach on the decision by CITES Appendix I for the Atlantic Blue Fin.. rather then deal with the concept of "endangered" they just
called it an "extinct" species.. therefore no fishing restriction can apply to a species which is extinct.. so one can fish for them...
Isn't the law just wonderful in action... gives one hope.. for that "ray of hope", if you know what I mean...
[Edited on 3-21-2010 by wessongroup]
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Russ
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Yes .... But that's an opinion not a fact.
What would stop them from fishing Mexican waters? Long lines, seiners or trawlers, there's not much enforcement and it's a big area.
Bahia Concepcion where life starts...given a chance!
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What Russ said.
Illegal fishing "not in their character" ?...commercial fishermen? Mike..of you know better, of course, and I will assume you are playing Devil's
Advocate here.
I saw plenty of illegal Japanese commercial fishing in Alaska home waters during the 70's and 80's.
Of course, they COULD have just been lost...all 20 of them...for a few years...in the same place over and over again. 
I am just now engaged in a home project involving lots of old Baja movie film. Burning those tapes onto discs. I have lots of 8mm film of Japanese
(and others) in the SOC from 1973-1989 hauling tuna out by the hundred-ton. Helicopter spotters and purse seiners , though - no longliners that I
saw here back then. Overfishing and illegal fishing is old news here, business as usual.... and I gave up filming them years ago.
Nobody cared then when we complained 'back in the day'..and the same goes on now...but we still complain to whomever is listening.
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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When I drove down the newly paved road in 1973 the Japenese were raping the SOC with large processing ships. Just killing everything and processing it
right on board. They probably had permits, and some Mexican's hands got greased, but what a shame.
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it's still happening, folks...yep...
dyslexia is never having to say you\'re yrros.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mulegemichael
it's still happening, folks...yep... |
Yep..the other day at the entrance to Conception Bay..and here I thought it was a maritime park.
Of course. Business as usual, Mike. Every day..every year. It happens here...it happens in Alaska. It happens in Antartica. Nothing has changed
since man discovered he could sell a fish.
But keep let's keep shouting into the wind anyway...sooner or later somebody will hear.
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capt. mike
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i don't think as yet anyone has said that yes the Japaneze/banzai!!! are long lining in Mex / SOC waters.
so i can't respond to him - what is worse? long lining 50 miles worth or dragging the bottom? - i don't know - both sound bad to me.
he's the one that says it would be out of character. he does a multi milllion a year import biz with them and is in their country constantly.
of course i know the Japanese fish world wide.
i think his point is - they would have permits or authority or something on that level.
i don't know - we were at dinner at Scottys friday before they flew out sat and that's when we were having the table discussion.
i told him i'd ask a few that might know.
he paid handsomly for a busted plane rescue....i have no dog in a fight here.
just curious.
i thot ling lining was mainly for sword fish???
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Mike
I know of 2 metheods of long-lining
Floating gear-Used mainly for pelagics (marlin , sailfish etc.)
Sinking gear-Used for grouper and shark primarily
So ALL the bases are covered
Also everything in between is suseptable
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If the Mexican longliners are selling the fish to Japan, isn't that the same as the Japanese doing it themselves? They just don't have to have their
boats there.
Joelt
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It seems awfully unlikely that the Japanese would illegally fish Mexican waters. Where is the motivation? The SOC has been netted so heavily the
last few years that there is no incentive to risk having a ship impounded and the crew arrested.
The Japanese have enough money to fish legally in enough places to make it unnecessary to fish illegally. They don't like bad publicity (i.e. Toyota
recalls) and unlike American executives, Japanese CEO's actually take responsibility for the actions of their underlings--to the extreme in many
cases, by killing themselves. They are serious people.
I'm not really a Japanophile, but they are, very quietly, the second biggest economy in the world. They are not the same guys we knew from the cheap
toys they sent over here in the 1950's, or the shoebox cars they sent here in the 1970's. They are a world economic powerhouse who do not like
publicity nightmares like having your fishing fleet arrested. Give those folks some credit or you severely underestimate them.
Christopher Bruno, Elk Grove, CA.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBruno
It seems awfully unlikely that the Japanese would illegally fish Mexican waters. Where is the motivation? The SOC has been netted so heavily the
last few years that there is no incentive to risk having a ship impounded and the crew arrested.
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Commercial fisherman are the same around the world.
If there is no or inadequate enforcement, many fishermen will take the risk and fish illegally.
p.s. you can't compare large corporations like toyota to small businesses like commercial fishing boats
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"you can't compare large corporations like toyota to small businesses like commercial fishing boats "
i doubt very much that any company that can afford to send boats all around the world to fish - which is HUGE industry , is small.
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Keep on buying your Toyotas and Hondas and Hyundais and Lexus and Infiniti. You want to hurt them...buy American. And I don't care if the Toyota or
Honda or Hyundai is made in the US. The profit still goes back to Japan or Korea. You can't keep them from destroying the worlds fisheries. But you
can keep you money out of their pocket.
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And when you buy that american car or truck, send a copy of the receipt to all of them with a note saying you bought american because of japanese and
korean fishing and whaling practices. And you'll never buy from them again.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Doug/Vamonos
And when you buy that american car or truck, send a copy of the receipt to all of them with a note saying you bought american because of japanese and
korean fishing and whaling practices. And you'll never buy from them again. |
Man, I love the sentiment. But, I fear that the boat has already sailed. There's a bunch of "American" vehicles that are made outside the US. Global
corporations do as they like. Maybe we could boycott sushi.
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Well that does it I'm not buying whale meat. I'll show em.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Doug/Vamonos
Keep on buying your Toyotas and Hondas and Hyundais and Lexus and Infiniti. You want to hurt them...buy American. And I don't care if the Toyota or
Honda or Hyundai is made in the US. The profit still goes back to Japan or Korea. You can't keep them from destroying the worlds fisheries. But you
can keep you money out of their pocket. |
On the flip does that mean the American car companies should not sell outside the U.S.?
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Makes one think, what if we had lost WWII....
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