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bonanza bucko
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What is the purpose of an FM3
I'm still confused. What is the purpose of an FM3?
Do you have to rent property to get one?
How often must you leave Mexico to have one?
Must you turn it in...or get it stamped...when you leave?
Why is it better than an FMM?
What good is it?
BB
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durrelllrobert
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Mainly it allows you to LIVE in Mexico LEGALLY and to appear in court when necessary. THE FMM is for turists and it would be difficult to convince
anyone that you are only a turist if you are living (rental or otherwise) in Mexico. In the US everyone complains about illegals so why would you want
to be an illegal in Mexico
Bob Durrell
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DianaT
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With a current FM3 you do not have to leave Mexico at all---
Technically, it is supposed to be stamped when you leave and return---easy by airplane, seldom done by land
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Bob and Susan
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the main reason is to protect your stuff when
you leave mexico and return to your "other house"
if you leave and ONLY have an FMM
you've abandoned your stuff and it can be taken
you'd sure be peeed if you returned and it was all gone...legally
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sancho
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I've never had the need for an fm3,
but with the POSSLBILITY of the New FMM Regs
which may allow a TOURIST only 1- 180 fmm per
yr. That may, if enforced, require me to
get an fm3 in the future.
I've read of RV'ers who spend more than
the 180 days, that get an fm3. They use
a trailer Park where they are staying,
which satisfies Mex IMM for residency
I believe you technically need an fm3
to enter into a contract, that can include
renting
[Edited on 5-26-2010 by sancho]
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noproblemo2
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I have heard, and I'm sure I'll be corrected if wrong, that any rental/sale contract is not legal unless you have the FM-3/2 status... Again, it's
what I have "heard".
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toneart
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As been said here many times before, an FM3 protects your rights as a property owner in the case of any kind of dispute.
You could conceivably do without one and never have a problem, but why risk your investment and roll those dice? Mexico is fraught with pitfalls that
could strip you of your real estate and your private possessions.
There are career Mexican opportunists who such as the infamous Mano Negro who make their living seeking out those vulnerabilities. In addition, there
are the Ejidos who would love to claim your property. Lastly, there are myriad disputes that could occur between your neighbors; some legitimate and
some seemingly unjust.
Consider the value of an FM3 as an insurance policy, an inoculation or a condom.
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wessongroup
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to create threads like this.. isn't this fun....
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Bajaboy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by durrelllrobert
Mainly it allows you to LIVE in Mexico LEGALLY and to appear in court when necessary. THE FMM is for turists and it would be difficult to convince
anyone that you are only a turist if you are living (rental or otherwise) in Mexico. In the US everyone complains about illegals so why would you want
to be an illegal in Mexico |
To say that everyone in the US complains about illegals is kind of a stretch
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Bajajorge
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajaboy
| Quote: | Originally posted by durrelllrobert
Mainly it allows you to LIVE in Mexico LEGALLY and to appear in court when necessary. THE FMM is for turists and it would be difficult to convince
anyone that you are only a turist if you are living (rental or otherwise) in Mexico. In the US everyone complains about illegals so why would you want
to be an illegal in Mexico |
To say that everyone in the US complains about illegals is kind of a stretch
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You have no problem with illegals in the USA? What part of the word illegal
don't you understand?
To answer your question, try staying in Mexico for a couple of months in a rental or a leased piece of property without an FM3. Mexican Immigration
doesn't play patty cake like the US Immigration does. You'll be handcuffed and thrown into the back of a car or pick up truck and hauled to the border
and thrown across in short order. They might let you keep what you have in your pockets at the time, not to include anything of value.
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monoloco
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I know plenty of people who live in Baja part of the year and own or lease property without FM3's but I have never met anyone who was handcuffed
thrown in the back of a car and deported for it. I have an FM3 and own property, lease property, have been involved in court actions defending a
lease, made police reports, and been hassled by police, been in a car wreck, filed an insurance claim and have never been asked to produce my FM3
papers. Bottom line is: If you plan to stay in Mexico for over 180 days a year or own property then you should get the FM3 other than that you are
wasting your time and money.
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Bajajorge
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There's a couple of people that used to be around San Felipe who had the privilege of being hauled off to the border. They are also now barred from
Mexico for I believe 5 years.
Maybe due to budget constraints Mexico doesn't haul people out of Baja Sur.
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LaTijereta
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
With a current FM3 you do not have to leave Mexico at all---
Technically, it is supposed to be stamped when you leave and return---easy by airplane, seldom done by land |
With the new FM3/FM2 "ID cards" there is no more stamping.. No one knows if you are here or gone..
Democracy is like two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
Ben Franklin (1759)
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O.G.
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I used to fly into Ensenada with an FM-T, multiple times with the same FM-T. Then, the last time, immigration took my pass away and said we (a family
of 4) must purchase a NEW FM-T (now an FMM) every time we arrive. The 180 day mention on our old FM-T's was intertpreted as allowing ONE entry/exit in
a 180 day period. So...I was faced with purchasing 4 FMM's each and every visit. Since I plan to berth my boat at Cruisport in the near future --
permanently -- an FM 3 is starting to look like our permanent solution. I just need to establish myself at Cruiseport to get a "residence" to qualify
for the FM-3.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by LaTijereta
| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
With a current FM3 you do not have to leave Mexico at all---
Technically, it is supposed to be stamped when you leave and return---easy by airplane, seldom done by land |
With the new FM3/FM2 "ID cards" there is no more stamping.. No one knows if you are here or gone.. |
I thought that under the new rules, even though we will have our FM3 card, we are "technically" supposed to obtain a FMM when we enter and turn it in
when we leave?
I keep getting this vision of several hundred people stopping and blocking the traffic lanes at the Tijuana border while they all at one time, exit
their vehicles, jump the fence and run across to the immigration office on the other side to drop off their FMMs. 
[Edited on 5-28-2010 by DianaT]
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | | To say that everyone in the US complains about illegals is kind of a stretch
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Correcto ... should have said that everyone in US that is affected by illegal immigration complains
Bob Durrell
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bonanza bucko
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When you fly into Mexico they require you to get a new FMM each time because your destination in the airplane is harder to track....that's the reason
I'm told for the difference with visitors on the ground. They also assume, wrongly, that us pilotos won't mind spending $100 +/_ for four people in
the bird on each trip.
And, in some cases to make things worse, they require a new FMM each time you land....Loreto used to do that. I think they have stopped but the lure
of a fresh $100 bill each time a new Gringo bird lands is pretty hard to forget.
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O.G.
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And, Isn't Ensenada in the "border zone" and exempt from FMM requirements. And, if I go to Cruiseport marina to spend less than 7 days shouldin't I be
exempt also? My agent in Ensenada, Ms Aida Ochoa, says to get a "multipurpose visa" (FMM???) at the border and say that it will be exchanged for a FM3
soon. I sure hope she knows what she is doing, as I am confused. Again, I/we fly in by private airplane to Ensenada rather than drive... .
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Bajaboy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajajorge
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajaboy
| Quote: | Originally posted by durrelllrobert
Mainly it allows you to LIVE in Mexico LEGALLY and to appear in court when necessary. THE FMM is for turists and it would be difficult to convince
anyone that you are only a turist if you are living (rental or otherwise) in Mexico. In the US everyone complains about illegals so why would you want
to be an illegal in Mexico |
To say that everyone in the US complains about illegals is kind of a stretch
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You have no problem with illegals in the USA? What part of the word illegal
don't you understand?
To answer your question, try staying in Mexico for a couple of months in a rental or a leased piece of property without an FM3. Mexican Immigration
doesn't play patty cake like the US Immigration does. You'll be handcuffed and thrown into the back of a car or pick up truck and hauled to the border
and thrown across in short order. They might let you keep what you have in your pockets at the time, not to include anything of value.
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I didn't anything about how I feel I merely suggested that not everyone in
the US has a problem with illegal immigration.
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DavidE
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Border zone regs only apply for 72 hours. That's three days. The rest of Mexico you need an FMM to enter.
An FM3 is a ONE YEAR tourist permit. A rentista must show proof of income to the INM officer, and pay about 2,200 pesos total to obtain the first
FM-3. 4 additional annual PRORROGAS are allowed costing around 1,450 pesos. The applicant must then choose whether to apply for an FM-2 or abandon the
FM-3 and start over with another FM-3.
A car permit (mainland) is as good as long as the FM-3 is valid. I am going to be exiting Mexico in a couple of weeks for Guatemala and Honduras.
Because my 180 days has elapsed, the car permit has expired and upon my re-entry in Mexico I must purchase another. Migracion will merely stamp my
FM-3 at no charge.
I see my grand daughter has arrived and she is hanging on my like a coat on a rack. Vamanos bebe a regla las plantas!
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