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vandenberg
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Cleaning fish
Here another one of those articles which make you wonder if some people have all their marbles. What follows here was send to my wife.
Likely were referring to the fact you're not supposed to clean your fish in the ocean, so species and quotas can be established by the authorities.
By the way, copied this from the Baja Pony Express:
Ran into a friend of mine on the way down to Los Cabos a couple of weeks ago. He was going fishing in Loreto on a private 45' sportfisher. After a day
of fishing, on the way back in, they were stopped by four Federales and their boat was boarded. After boarding the police asked to see their fish.
Upon seeing it and that it had been cleaned, they advised my friend and his companions that there was a new law in Mexico that only allowed Mexican
citizens to clean fish and that you were not allowed to clean your own fish. They demanded $1,000 in $100 bills fine, took the money and left. Another
reason that American's do not want to visit Mexico. (Unsigned)
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jeremias
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sounds like fish cleaning racism.
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Udo
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Aquatic mordida.
I'll bet those fishermen felt pretty stupid after they told their friends.
Udo
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longlegsinlapaz
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Sounds like BS MORDITA pure & simple!
Vandenberg, were you serious with your comment, "fact you're not supposed to clean your fish in the ocean, so species
and quotas can be established by the authorities"? Is that honestly a law?
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Osprey
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The law is that if you are sportfishing, with private sportfishing licencses, you are not permitted to filet/clean any sea animal on your boat. It's
not a nutty law -- it was enacted into law to allow inspectors to check your catch and be able to discern how many and what kind of fish you caught
and kept. Simple, direct, effective like many Mexican laws.
[Edited on 6-3-2010 by Osprey]
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jeremias
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that may be the law, but he's claiming they said "only Mexican citizens can clean fish".
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longlegsinlapaz
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Gracias Osprey! I'm still betting the $$ never made it back to the Federale
shop & no "ticket" nor receipt was written....cynical wench that I am!
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k-rico
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Were the fishermen from Arizona? 
Heavy mordida if you show an AZ ID.
Beware Zonies. Make sure you have the correct visa when in Mex.
I don't believe any of the story BTW.
[Edited on 6-3-2010 by k-rico]
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Russ
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I also suspect there is a law that says if you let your game fish spoil you have to pay mordida too. Of course all my fish will fit whole in to my
cooler but if by chance I catch a big fish I'm cleaning it and getting it on ice asap.
Bahia Concepcion where life starts...given a chance!
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Cypress
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There are laws against cleaning fish onboard while fishing in US waters also.
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Osprey
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No I think he said "Only Mexicans can clean fish correctly". I personally think he's wrong about that because a lot of my gringo friends will not say
they have completed the fileting of a fish until and unless they get the good "Cheek Chunks".
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Skipjack Joe
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I believe you can clean it but some of the skin needs to remain on the fish for identification.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
They demanded $1,000 in $100 bills |
Getting picky, arn't they. Does this mean the days of giving them an out of state, two party check are over?
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Bob and Susan
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do you notice these "stories" are always
go like "Ran into a friend of mine..."
and
"he said"....
they NEVER say "it happended tp ME and this is the TRUTH!!!"
and my name is...
probably just another "urban myth" to "stir the pot"
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Osprey
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Skip, I don't trust the inspectors here to know all the laws. I have a copy of the Pesca book and I take that on the boat with my license. It gets a
little tricky no matter what -- always hope to pull in a big fat barillete early for skip bait, chum, chunck bait so legally I start the morning off
all wrong. On my boat I always have a couple of big burlap sacks and plenty of bottles of frozen water -- all the take home food fish allowed goes in
the bags with ice and then the whole shebang gets soaked right on the deck away from the action.
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Hooker33
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Fish cleaning
For the past two years of fishing with my Mexican friend Ramon in Cabo he now guts the fish but no longer filets them as the local federales are
actively spot checking the fishing boats. As long as the fish is identifiable you're ok. We now gut them and get them on ice and finish cleaning
them at home.
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bajabass
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The law in CA is you must leave a one square inch of skin on each fillet for I.D. Just gill, gut, and bleed all kept fish, within the limits of
course. If you can, pack the body cavity with ice, chills faster, better. As far as mordida goes, beware! I had a immigration employee tag me for 1000
pesos at the La Paz airport, and pocket it.
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BAJA.DESERT.RAT
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Hola, it is definitely illegal to clean fish in mexican waters. PERIOD !!!! all the boats out of san diego going south of the border used to clean
fish including the long range boats on all of their trips but, a few years ago, it stopped due to mexican officials enforcing the law and so did the "
side money " the crews used to make at around thirty cents a pound in the round or a per fish cleaning charge, which used to add considerable sums to
their pockets, and rightfully so. IT IS THE LAW ! WE ARE GUESTS TO A FOREIGN ENTITY !
last year in los barriles, boats were boarded out on the water or searched upon arrival at the docks and if fish were cleaned, the boat and all the
gear aboard were confiscated. supposedly per day, the hotel boats were supposed to allow one fish and game person on one of the hotels chartered
cruisers along with their passengers and the fish and game people could pull other boats over and inspect them. there was an uproar over paying
customers and the crews having their cruisers used for fish and game activities and taking fishing time away and also putting the customers in harm's
way if a cited customer became hostile. this was validated by one of the hotels major personnel.
after confiscation of either boat or gear or both, the offending party ( ies ) would have to go to la paz and go to a hearing for penalties. recently,
i have heard the offending party ( ies ) could either go to la ribera or los barriles degation.
if you are an offending party, i would hope that you have the intelligence enough to get a citation in writing and also have accurate descriptions of
confiscated items as well as the officials name and pertinent information including the vehicle ( s ) it was placed in ( if on shore ) so you have
the ability to pursue retrieving your equipment and from whom and what location. being most of the hotels customers are here in a limited and short
time frame, it is very likely that this will become another mordida issue.
QUESTION: what consitutes cleaning ? can a caught and killed fish be gutted and have the head removed for easier and less room consumption in body
bags or ice chests or does cleaning mean any mutilation of a kept fish with the exception of damage created by a gaff or any fish retrieval mechanism?
with the realization of mexican laws and the interpretation of the official making the accusaton, i am sure there must be in print somewhere as to the
definition where these fine lines should be. if so, i would suggest carrying a written copy in english AND in spanish along with your fishing license
and hope the official has the ability to properly interpret them. hopefully, he/she can read.
i am sure this fodder will lessen fishing visitors in the future for those that do bring their own and usually expensive equipment !
BIEN SALUD, DA RAT
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mulege marv
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regs
In order to operate a boat that carries fishing equipment in Mexican waters, it is necessary to hold a valid personal fishing license for everybody
aboard the boat, REGARDLESS OF AGE AND WHETHER FISHING OR NOT.
Only one rod or line with hook is permitted in the water, per person, but there is no restriction regarding the number of replacement items (extra
rods not in the water).
A sportfishing license allows the capture only of fin fish. It does not allow the capture of any mollusks or crustaceans, and their capture by anyone
is strictly prohibited. Totuava, turtles and marine mammals are under the protection of the Ministry and may not be captured at any time.
BAG AND POSSESSION LIMITS
In ocean waters and estuaries, the limit is a total of ten (10) fish per day, with no more than five (5) fish of a single species, except the species
of Marlin, Sailfish and Swordfish, of which only one (1) specimen of either is allowed per day, or Dorado, Roosterfish, Shad, Tarpon or Shark, of
which only two (2) specimens of each is allowed per day.
Limit on inland bodies of water (rivers, lakes, dams, etc.) is five (5) fish per day, whether of a single species or in combination.
Underwater fishing is limited to five (5) fish per day, using rubber band or spring-type harpoons, and only while skin diving. There is no limit to
the practice of "Catch & Release" as long as the fish that exceed the bag limit are returned to the environment in good survivable condition.
Where sportfishing is conducted from boats out at sea longer than three (3) days, the bag limit will be the equivalent of three (3) times the amounts
mentioned above.
VIOLATIONS
It is illegal to capture and maintain alive any fish for ornamental purposes.
It is illegal to fillet any fish aboard a boat.
It is prohibited to receive any financial gain from the product obtained through sportfishing.
It is prohibited to dump trash, litter or other substances that harm the aquatic flora or fauna, whether on lakes, river banks, shores or oceanic
waters.
It is prohibited to collect shells, corals, sea anemones and snails, or to disturb the original ecosystem environment.
It is prohibited to practice sport fishing 250 meters or less from swimmers.
It is prohibited to use artificial lighting to attract large quantities of fish.
It is prohibited to discharge firearms in Mexican waters.
It is requested that all unusual activities, occurrences or record catches be reported to the nearest Office of the Ministery of the
Environmental-Natural Resources and Fisheries, or to its representative in San Diego, CA, in order to ensure the preservation of natural resources for
the continued enjoyment of all fishermen.
[Edited on 6-3-2010 by mulege marv]
Want what you have
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Bob and Susan
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bajabass "beware! I had a immigration employee tag me for 1000 pesos at the La Paz airport, and pocket it."
you shouldn't say this..
you don't really know he pocketed it
your fine for being illegal is $1000 pesos
you should know better
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