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midwifevicki
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FM3 renewal
My husband is renewing his FM3 in Santa Rosalia next month. I plan to apply for one at the same time. He has had ihis FM3 renewed once before through
a lawyer (Peyton) in Tijuana. It was very expensive and we would like to do it directly in Santa Rosalia with the help of our Mexican accountant.
There is a new officer there, not Ismeal, who has been both friend and foe to Americans in the past. Has any one had any recent dealing with this new
gentleman? Any suggestions or assistance with the FM3 renewal process? We have property in Punta Chivato that we are developing. Currently, first
home is under construction.
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Bob and Susan
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Our friends Vic and Debbie did it there and had no trouble in May.
Salvador our accountant will assist. He's a great source and will do you right.
http://www.despachocontable.com/
Send him an email, he will respond.
He goes to La Paz every other week also.
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midwifevicki
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Thanks for the information. What is the difference between an FM3 and FM2? We do not live in Punta Chivato but do have aMexican Corporation to sell
land and build a community. I have an accountant who files our taxes every month in Santa Rosalia. His name is Ramiro palencia and although he is
very personable I don't think that he has actually had experience doing this before.
Any idea what Salavador charges? thanks again.
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BajaCactus
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possible help....
I have close relatives in Santa Rosalia (beautiful town)... actually my mothers family settled there around 150 years ago.. and as you may imagine...
everyone knows them.....and they know everyone.
If you need, I could ask them to help you out.... I am sure they will be glad to assist you... only problem is that they barely speak english....
Let me know...
Antonio M.
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"Where Baja is so much more than a dream..."
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Bob and Susan
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Vikki
Salvador's rates are very low.
Email him and ask for a price.
He goes to Santa Rosalia all the time.
You will need to get some pictures taken for the renewal 4 front and 4 side.
Costco does these.
FM3 is for 1 year and for foreigners that don't live in Mexico ALL year like you.
FM2 is good for 5 years and is for foreigners who live in Mexico FULL time.
Susan
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bajalou
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FM2 - FM3
Well, Bob & Susan, I beg to differ with you. A FM3 is a multiple entry Tourist permit, reqired if you have any property (leased or owned) in Mexico.
It is renewable for a total of 5 years and pictures are only required for the initial issue. After 5 years, you have to start over agin.
A FM2 is a "Documento Migratiorio Unico del Inmigrante" Because it is part of the imigration process, it is also registered in Mexico City. You MUST
be a full time resident of Mex. with a FM2 - prohibited from being outside Mex more than 18 months in the 5 years. At the end of the 5 year process
of FM2, you do a "Declaratoria de Inmigrado" and you are granted "all the rights of citizenship except voting"
All renewals must be done at the Imigration office handling the area which you live/have property.
This from my experience with 6 years of FM3 and 3 years of FM2 and advice of the local Imigration office.
But check it out for yourself.
[Edited on 7-23-2004 by bajalou]
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Bob and Susan
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OOps over simplified again....
An FM-3 is a one year permit to reside in Mexico. This document identifies the person as a non-immigrant. It is similar to a tourist card FMT but,
unlike the tourist card you are allowed to live in the country for an extended period of time and leave your stuff there. Also needed for a trust.
So people that own and live part time in Baja should have this.
The FM3 must be renewed each year.
After the 5th year you can either get an FM-2 or continue getting an FM-3.
There is no year limit on getting an FM3.
An FM-2 is also a one year permit to reside in Mexico but after your fifth year you can apply to become an immigrate into the country. You need one
also if you want to work. FM2 is more costly than a FM3.
Things have changed and I heard recently you can get an FM2 immediately but have not verified it.
After five years of having an FM2 you don't automaticly get to be a citizen.
There is a TESTand you need some knowlege of Mexican culture and history.
When you become a citizen you still can't own the land in the Restricted Zone and you still can't vote.
In Mulege and Santa Rosalia they always like new pictures.
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aldosalato
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naturalized citizen CAN own land and CAN vote
I am a living proof.........
Still I am disappointed I cannot be a boat captain and filed a complain with the Federal authority suggesting revision of the
Constitution...............
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Dave
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A couple of points:
You now can get an FM2 without the 5 years of an FM3.
It is not necessary to have an FM2 to receive a work permit. FM3 will work just fine. Also, when you recieve the permit it is no longer necessary to
meet the financial requirements necessary for an FM3/2.
Aldo is correct. Once you are a naturalized citizen you can own land in the restricted zone and vote. There IS a tradeoff however. If you get into
troubles in Mexico you can't hide under U.S. diplomatic skirts. Something to think about if considering going this route.
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Bob and Susan
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Dave
You are right about the protection...
We've thought about this many times.
Have you got a written source that says a naturalized citizen can own land in the restricted zone.
I have heard this before but.....only from Americans...I thought it was just an Urban Myth.
bob
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dono
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My wife and i hold several properties in our names fee simple. no more trusts or yearly fees. more better
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Bob and Susan
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We would only like a written source and we will research this.
In the US, I (not being a citizen) could easily vote in the next election.
I would just register with some guy in front of Walmart. He doesn't care, he gets paid for every registration.
No.... of course, my vote wouldn't count if It was checked, but....I still voted.
Now....about getting the DEED....I could tell an attorney that I was a citizen...he would register the deed in my name...but...is it legal if someone
else questions it later or do I LOSE.
All I am asking for now is a written source that says "Naturalized Citizens", in Mexico, can own fee simple property in the prohibited zone.
This is new....or myth...
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
Dave
Have you got a written source that says a naturalized citizen can own land in the restricted zone.
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Don't need one. Look at Aldosalato's post. Proof enough unless you choose not to believe him.
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Bob and Susan
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Dont need one?????
...and that's why Americans get in trouble in Mexico.
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bajalou
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For land/home purchases, the Notario which handles the paperwork will be the final say for the title transfer.
and, as Aldosalato said, that is what the Imigration office told me when I inquired there a couple different times.
[Edited on 7-26-2004 by bajalou]
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Bob and Susan
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Yes this is true but....
If the Notario is doing something WRONG and your friend and someone else COMPLAINS....
Are you screwed???
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
that's why Americans get in trouble in Mexico.
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We're not talking about Americans but naturalized Mexican citizens. Most countries have exclusions for naturalized citizens. In the U.S it is the
qualification for President and V.P. To my knowledge, and to many naturalized Mexican citizens I know who own property in the restricted zone, there
is no restiction on land ownership.
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Bob and Susan
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Dave
Just because people you know have "done it" doesn't make legal or correct.
If you can't provide a written source it may not be true. Period.
bob
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dono
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Bob and Susan, you need to read the Mexican constitution to see if Mexicans can own property in Mexico.
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Bob and Susan
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There IS a differance from someone born in Mexico and someone naturalized That's in the translation.
Dono and Dave think they know But....
Where's the Beef....
Until then don't say you know.
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