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Woooosh
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Tourists shot and robbed in both TJ and Rosarito Beach this week.
I'm not sure how we got to this point- armed robberies where they actually shoot the victims? Geeesh. The penalty for armed robbery was upped a few
years ago to prevent this. What's changed? Why not rob people with any of the more traditional, less violent methods? I do understand why they
would target tourists- because "That's where the money is." But why actually shoot?
Two American tourists shot and robbed, three days apart. Man robbed and shot in Rosarito Beach - while sitting in his truck waiting for a friend who
was shopping inside. The second was a couple shot and robbed on the Mexico Bridge while walking back to the border from the tourist zone at 1am.
http://www.afntijuana.info/afn/?p=17207
http://www.afntijuana.info/afn/?p=17323
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BajaBlanca
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very sad indeed. but i would never walk anywhere at 1 a.m.
even san diego is not 100% safe at that time ....
still and all, a sad week.
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I dont doubt what your saying Whoosh but no one knows anything about the tourist shooting in Ro sa rito. I know alot of people up there and no ones
confirmed it with me.
As you know us Americans that live down here are a close knit group.
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let me get this straight-A guy was shot from the air in Rosarito? His friend was buying bread? there was May 5 inserted-can someone essplain this to
moi?
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Mexicorn
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Who in their right mind would be crossing that pedestrian bridge at 1 AM?
Hello anyone Its 1am I'll save a few bucks and walk.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mexicorn
Who in their right mind would be crossing that pedestrian bridge at 1 AM?
Hello anyone Its 1am I'll save a few bucks and walk. |
I think a lot of younger people still stumble/crawl back across that bridge late at night. The perps went over into the canal. Not sure I'd trust a
street cab- but I would walk in a bigger group than two for sure. It does sound strange a tourist would be buying bread in Rosarito, maybe he was
hungry and doesn't like tortillas. That'll teach us guys to sit in the car waiting- easy targets.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mexicorn
Who in their right mind would be crossing that pedestrian bridge at 1 AM?
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I wouldn't walk across that bridge alone at 1PM. 
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I think Mexican bread is the best, bar none. Bring on the Tortas. Not worth taking a bullet for, but close.
Mas Pacifico
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Woooosh
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I wonder what the two college students shot and killed last night were shopping for?
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/11/03/mexico.us.students.killed/index.html?eref=rss_world&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm
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BajaBlanca
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computer and business majors ??? walking around in ciudad juarez ... not so smart. very sad.
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Soiunds to me they both missed the "common sense" class when it was held????
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http://www.afntijuana.info/afn/?p=17323
This first story is kinda strange and it brings up a lot of questions although it's tragic to hear about an American women getting shot in the back.
But what were two lone American females doing at one o' clock in the morning walking on that dark deserted bridge late at night?
I use to walk that bridge all the time, but never past nightfall when it get deserted and at the time the only people you use to see were the
homeless bums, rateros and corrupt TJ cops were on the bridge waiting for their victims.( Now I just take the cheaper taxi libres than the more
expensive yellow cabs)
Ok the two American women are confronted by one of the robbers with a gun pointed at them, and the others are asking for their wallets. But instead of
handing over the wallets and complying with the Mexican muggers requests the two American women try to make a run for it.
I understand they are frightened but is this the smartest thing to do is try to escape three armed Mexican gunman? It just seems the two American
women are doing one dumb thing after another which could have deadly consequences and in this case it resulted in one of them getting shot in the
back.
Now I wasn't there and in this case there might have been good reason to run because who knows what else the Mexican rateros might have did to the
women after they robbed them.
Two American women alone on a dark isolated bridge walking back to the states. There has to be more to this story than this, and I doubt these two
were just casual tourists returning to the states, although no matter what these two American women were involved in it never gives the Mexican
rateros an excuse to rob and shoot one of them.
But many times you see stories like this where the victim contributes to their own demise, because if you ask me "Social Darwinism" is alive and well
in Tijuana and you have to use your brain at all times.
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There was another incident in Rosarito Beach reported in the "Frontera" where a 70 year old American women was confronted by Mexican bandits with a
gun by a ATM machine, and the 70 year old women refused to give them her purse!
This incident ended better this time with the robbers just taking the purse from the old women, and I don't think she was hurt.
Again if confronted by robbers with a gun. Do what they want because money and valuables could always be replaced but if they kill you....that's it
your dead, unless you believe in the afterlife.
[Edited on 11-4-2010 by JoeJustJoe]
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you know, I was held up at gunpoint when I did a stupid 1 a.m. stunt like these women and I handed over my whole purse - the guys argued with me that
they only wanted the wallet and made me fish it out. 
the second time I was help up was on a bus, I never saw the gun (it was there tho'). and that time my reaction was so different. i refused to give up
my wedding band ... argued with the kid ... who eventually robbed other people with the rest of his gang. Once they were off the bus, I got told off
bigtime by the other riders .... but it was my gut reaction to react this way. 
maybe they thought they were going to be raped and their flight mode came on instead of fight. It is a scary world and the bottom line is: how dumb.
since we don't know their ages, it may be teenage "this will never happen to me" youth stupidity.
Joe Just Joe has the right idea and it should be drummed into our brains. give it up. it can be replaced. no matter what the sum. no matter what the
item. life cannot be replaced.
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Woooosh
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Good points Blanca. We shouldn't victimize these two ladies for believing what the media is telling them though- that TJ is safe for tourism. They
were walking the main pedestrian route for tourists going from the border to the Ave Revolution nightlife. If the TJ police can't manage to post at
least one unit there to protect that route it's pretty much game over for tourism. Well, not really- this story broke on election day results and
never got much attention. Another win for the media censors, but not a win for tourist safety.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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Our family in Tijuana tells us they are seeing a harder element coming back to Mexico among the more recent deportees. I have noticed my last few
trips up to the border that I am seeing a lot more ex-con looking types with prison tattoos walking around.
Times are definitely changing and I would bet that these types of stories are directly connected...
[Edited on 11-5-2010 by BajaGringo]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
Our family in Tijuana tells us they are seeing a harder element coming back to Mexico among the more recent deportees. I have noticed my last few
trips up to the border that I am seeing a lot more ex-con looking types with prison tattoos walking around.
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Down here as well. Lots of them living in and working for the subsidized re-hab houses, panhandling [for the cause, of course] at the intersections.
Makes you wonder what their night-job may be in light of the recent massacres of cartel soldiers in rehab places where they hide between jobs.
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I will apologize for my opinion before giving it… ok I’m sorry.
It sure looks like that gun control thing is working well… for the bad guys. JH
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajamedic
It sure looks like that gun control thing is working well… for the bad guys. JH |
The only people without guns here are the gringos....most of them anyway. Not all.
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If guns are illegal, the only people with guns are criminals and law enforcement. I've got guns. I'm not a criminal. But I would be if guns were
illegal. There's something wrong with that picture.
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JoeJustJoe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Good points Blanca. We shouldn't victimize these two ladies for believing what the media is telling them though- that TJ is safe for tourism. They
were walking the main pedestrian route for tourists going from the border to the Ave Revolution nightlife. If the TJ police can't manage to post at
least one unit there to protect that route it's pretty much game over for tourism. Well, not really- this story broke on election day results and
never got much attention. Another win for the media censors, but not a win for tourist safety. |
Blanca made a great post from a females perspective, however Whoosh's posts leaves a lot to be desired.
That pedestrian bridge is usually quite busy and pretty safe during the day, but at night it's very dangerous and just about all local Mexicans and
even visiting gringos know it's not a good idea to cross at night especially for women walking alone.
The river bed has a good size homeless population just like I remember many riverbeds in the States that had a sizable homeless population living
under the bridges and the riverbeds. (when I was a kid I use to play under my local riverbed, and I use to run into bums under there, but I think back
them they were referred to as hobos.
Today most American women working nights won't even walk to their cars alone out of fear they will be raped or mugged in large companies that have
large parking lots, and most large companies have security guards that upon request will walk American women workers to their car, or they walk with
other work members.
The question remains what were those two American women thinking when they decided to walk the bridge alone at night when just about nobody else is
crossing at that time of night?
There are a lot of places on that bridge where you could get mugged, and the TJ police can't be everywhere nor would I expect the police force to
provide a lot of security at that time of night because most sane people would not be crossing at that hour at night.
What these two American women did was equivalent to Woooosh walking alone at night in some of the worst areas of Compton California and then get
mugged, and shot because he didn't give the muggers his wallet, but afterward wonders what happened because he heard Compton/LA was safe.
The fact is Tijuana is very safe, and the Tijuana police force is all over the city making it as safe as other large cities, but all bets are off if
in engage in illegal actives or do stupid these like these two American women did. But who knows maybe they ran out of money, or there boyfriends
dumped them in TJ without money, and they had no other choice but walking home.
I talked to a Arturo Martinez, Deputy Director of the State Secretary of Tourism board on another matter by email, and Arturo told me there are
definitely a few areas of Tijuana that a tourist should avoid, and I bet he would agree with me that the pedestrian bridge in Tijuana late at night is
an area one should avoid in order to be safe?
[Edited on 11-5-2010 by JoeJustJoe]
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