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Woooosh
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Baja California Beckons: "We are close and we are safe" (OK- one out of two)
Does anyone who hears the call of Baja Norte believe it? Not many it seems. Rosarito Beach had a 20% hotel occupancy for 2010 and only 200 real
estate transactions total.
Didn't this author read the WikiLeak when the US State Department confirmed TJ was one of three Mexican areas considered for martial law? (We had to
learn that from WikiLeaks because the NOB press was still saying everything was safe in Baja during that period). And so what if no tourists have
died here yet- that is just a matter of odds (right now there are no tourists so the odds of one getting killed are very low).
Didn't this author hear the narcos threatened to kill all the 6th graders in a Rosarito school last Friday? Didn't he hear the Sinaloas are doing
combat with the Marinas in streets of Rosarito and the military has taken over the security for Rosarito and even built a barracks? Didn't he hear
the narcos are now growing their pot and poppies in the wine region of Ensenada. He needs to get his baja crime news from Frontera instead of the
Union Tribune before he accepts "It's safe" without challenging it a bit. The nostalgic opening about camping on the beach and getting lobster
dinners and buckets of beer on the cheap show this guy is still living in the past. Hey, we'd all like to roll Baja back in time a few decades. I
know this is what PR people do for a living, but it is dangerous to those who fall for it. Baja should wait until the judicial reforms and new state
police take charge before rolling out the welcome mat. jmho
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Baja-California-B...
[Edited on 1-25-2011 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Maybe Funcke is on Hugo's payroll.
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Woooosh
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Nope Hugo's no longer mayor- and is back to selling his condotel units. Times are tough for Hugo- he stripped the building of all the nice teak pool
furniture and replaced them with plastic.
On the same day they say "It's close and it's safe" an article on the Pozolero...
"What happened to the 300 bodies?"
http://www.sandiegored.com/noticias/4408/What-happened-to-th...
Mexican police: Gunmen open fire at soccer game, 7 dead
The sign above the dead player reads "Live Better"
[Edited on 1-25-2011 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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I'm sure you 2 guys know of the blog out
of Playa TJ, called Maggies, or close to that,
if that was mainstream/ required reading, I don't believe
any tourists would venture so. of San Diego
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With due respect to the plight of northern Baja cities who are suffering violence, perhaps the first step is to become better informed about your
world around you and what role you play in shaping your world. Improved society starts from within, society is the collective self. I'm sorry if that
is too deep for Whoosh or DK but give it a try.
When you base your actions on reaction, and on fear based on manipulative media messaging you will always end up misinformed reaching the wrong
conclusions and thus the wrong actions. When you base your actions on truth and love your actions have infinite impact.
Instead of trusting PR or TV, perhaps trust yourself, trust your gut feeling. Your message clearly represents a lack of willingness to accept the
truth, take time yourself to write down a list of who is perpetrating these attacks, who is involved, why, where and who benefits. Its not Jose in a
van. It's right in front of you, not some hidden secret mission of unknowns. Until you do see the world as it really is you are living in a world made
of lies which leaves you incapable and unwilling to cope.
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Can't you simplify it up a bit?
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
With due respect to the plight of northern Baja cities who are suffering violence, perhaps the first step is to become better informed about your
world around you and what role you play in shaping your world. Improved society starts from within, society is the collective self. I'm sorry if that
is too deep for Whoosh or DK but give it a try.
When you base your actions on reaction, and on fear based on manipulative media messaging you will always end up misinformed reaching the wrong
conclusions and thus the wrong actions. When you base your actions on truth and love your actions have infinite impact.
Instead of trusting PR or TV, perhaps trust yourself, trust your gut feeling. Your message clearly represents a lack of willingness to accept the
truth, take time yourself to write down a list of who is perpetrating these attacks, who is involved, why, where and who benefits. Its not Jose in a
van. It's right in front of you, not some hidden secret mission of unknowns. Until you do see the world as it really is you are living in a world made
of lies which leaves you incapable and unwilling to cope.
[Edited on 1-26-2011 by gnukid] |
Seems like a lot of trouble just to eat tacos, drink beer and see a donkey show. 
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sancho
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gnukid, Why take an unprovoked shot at DK?
I'll have have to go back to San Diego State,
what classes do suggest I take to understand
your deep analysis
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Woooosh
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It's just BS, don't waste your brain cells on it. The US State Department got the situation right in Baja Norte- not the UT, and certainly not the
cross-border business groups. Mexico does not deny the WikiLeaks reports are accurate. THAT is the shocker. There are people and groups that either
can't see the truth or hold economic interests that prevent them from accepting it as the truth. The violence is here (again) and Baja Norte will
never be the same place it was 30 years ago when I first surfed here. The narcos have killed the tourist economy and with it the local economy. That
is today's reality- it is what it is.
I built my house and moved here in 2005 before all the narco violence. Living here has been a learning experience we did not ask for. We chose to
live in central Rosarito so we are in the middle of it all, not hidden behind gates and guards. I joined Baja Nomads after my first kidnap attempt-
seeking information and answers from fellow ex-pats. The PGJE told me the kidnappers were "delinquents who intended to do me harm". That was honest
and I accepted it. I did not run away, I stepped up our security and got more involved with our neighbors. When we had an armed carjack attempt in
TJ, we didn't stop driving- instead we questioned why the security cameras placed on the via rapida to protect tourists were now all gone. I am not a
gringo, I am a CT Yankee. We fight for the people and are revolutionary by nature. We don't turn and run. We don't mince words. No apologies.
And before you call me out for not taking a role, what role does a person with an FM3 have in the narco war? none. It's Mexico's problem to fix
Mexico. This is their Sputnik moment, not mine. I do think there is role for the millions of Mexicans who moved to the USA and now have advanced
college degrees- but they won't return home to help fix their country. It probably hasn't even occurred to them they could be the solution.
My family is doing it's part to move Mexico forward. My favorite nephew just graduated from college in December and entered the Mexican Army in
January. We won't see or hear from him for six months. With his degree he hopes to be an officer in the new CLEAN Baja State Police force. We are
proud of him. What are you doing to create change beside writing BS? You can KMWA.
[Edited on 1-27-2011 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Does anyone who hears the call of Baja Norte believe it? Not many it seems. Rosarito Beach had a 20% hotel occupancy for 2010 and only 200 real
estate transactions total.
Didn't this author read the WikiLeak when the US State Department confirmed TJ was one of three Mexican areas considered for martial law? (We had to
learn that from WikiLeaks because the NOB press was still saying everything was safe in Baja during that period). And so what if no tourists have
died here yet- that is just a matter of odds (right now there are no tourists so the odds of one getting killed are very low).
Didn't this author hear the narcos threatened to kill all the 6th graders in a Rosarito school last Friday? Didn't he hear the Sinaloas are doing
combat with the Marinas in streets of Rosarito and the military has taken over the security for Rosarito and even built a barracks? Didn't he hear
the narcos are now growing their pot and poppies in the wine region of Ensenada. He needs to get his baja crime news from Frontera instead of the
Union Tribune before he accepts "It's safe" without challenging it a bit. The nostalgic opening about camping on the beach and getting lobster
dinners and buckets of beer on the cheap show this guy is still living in the past. Hey, we'd all like to roll Baja back in time a few decades. I
know this is what PR people do for a living, but it is dangerous to those who fall for it. Baja should wait until the judicial reforms and new state
police take charge before rolling out the welcome mat. jmho
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Baja-California-B...
[Edited on 1-25-2011 by Woooosh] |
Whooosh needs to take a chill pill. If Rosarito Beach had a 20% hotel occupancy and tourism is way down in Baja then I would say the media has done
it's job and already got the message across that visiting the border area is very dangerous. Anymore stories about drug cartels killings is just over
kill. Personally I don't think the Baja area is dangerous at all to visit at all especially during the day. Now if I were selling Cristal/meth on the
streets of Rosarito Beach belonging to a rival drug cartel. Well then I would be concerned for my life, but since I'm not a drug pusher or junkie I'm
not scared at all.
The worst thing the San Diego papers could do is post is post that irresponsible story that was in the " Frontera" about some crank calls a school in
Rosarito Beech was getting about shooting 6 graders in retaliation for the "Boxers" arrest. There have been no other shooting of children by the drug
cartels in retaliation for a drug kingpins arrests or top lieutenants like the Boxer. ( there have been some retaliations against cops but never mass
killing of school children) The call looks like an obvious crank call or terrorist like threat designed to scare people. The only ones who should
know about those types of threats are the parents and the police. The San Diego papers don't need to know that unless you want to lose the other 20
percent too.
Whooosh you keep acting like the Mexican "WikiLeak" memo talking points is imminent and we'll soon be seeing martial law all across major narco
cities like nearly Tijuana.
Hogwash the "Wikileaks" caught backroom diplomats talking in a frank manner about their wishes, and some of them were neocons from both sides of the
border, and most of it was just wishful thinking. They would then have to sell the idea to other politicians, business leaders, and the Mexican
people. The political realities are a different story. I don't think we'll see "martial law" anytime soon in Mexico nor boots on the ground from
America fighting the "war on drugs." I'm sorry to disappoint you Whoosh but I don't see it happening soon, and pretty soon it's going to be 2012 and
Calderon and his PAN party might be gone.
I was reading in the 'MexFiles" that Carlos Slim believes it's foolish to let the temporary violence scare away investments and he has no intention of
leaving Mexico. You think Carlos Slim is going to let the Mexican government declare Martial law and see investments money dry up.
[Edited on 1-27-2011 by JoeJustJoe]
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Thanks Whoosh for keeping us informed. Please watch your backside. Yes Mexico is flocked up beyond repair for my lifetime, i.e murders, land
swindles, graft, ........, ..........., ........, ............, ..........., ..........., ....................., ............, ........., ...........,
........, ......... and corruption. It has kept me on the USA side of the border for the past 5 years but the lore of southern baja, like a sirene,
is calling. Like a wilderbeast traveling thru prides of lions I will be making a trek south towing my boat to Lopez Mateos. There is a high
probabilty I'll make it but there IS a very small chance I will be intercepted by a lion.
Fishing adventures not found in USA waters beckon and cloud my senses. Hopefully, I will make it past that northern killing zone. I've only got one
life and I'd like to keep it inspite of others interpretation of Mexico's reality.
1987 Cabo216
[Edited on 1-27-2011 by Lobsterman]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Lobsterman
Yes Mexico is f'd up beyond repair for my lifetime, i.e murders, land swindles, graft, ........, ..........., ........, ............, ...........,
..........., ....................., ............, ........., ..........., ........, ......... and corruption. It has kept me on the USA side of the
border for the past 5 years but the lore of southern baja, like a sirene, is calling. Like a wilderbeast traveling thru prides of lions I will be
making a trek south towing my boat to Lopez Mateos. There is a high probabilty I'll make it but there IS a very small chance I will be intercepted by
a lion.
Fishing adventures not found in USA waters beckon and cloud my senses. Hopefully, I will make it past that northern killing zone. I've only got one
life and I'd like to keep it inspite of others interpretation of Mexico's reality.
1987 Cabo216
[Edited on 1-27-2011 by Lobsterman] |
Well said and ditto that! (For me I guess it's been 6 years, but I repeat myself.)
Bad sh-- stuff happens all around the world; fortunately not very much of it in Baha, esp south of Ensenada. It's of course a certainty that the
place will never be the place it was 30 years ago. (Neither will I. <g>)
My favorite "Miss Peach" (remember Miss Peach?) has her taking her class out on a field trip. They're out standing under a big old oak and her line
is: "That tree has been living in this spot for 4 hundred years."
And one of the kindergarteners replies: "If you call that living."
Chafing at the bit, I am. (Have we left yet?)
Barbarosa
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
You think Carlos Slim is going to let the Mexican government declare Marital law and see investments money dry up. |
Do you think Carlos Slim tells the president of Mexico what he can and cannot do? Isn't "Marital" law something to do with same sex marriages?
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It's my personal policy to never address trolls with less than 50 posts, especially if they are from Poway, Romona, or using a proxy.
But it sure looks like the Nomad board for a expat community sure has a lot of scared chickens regarding the danger level of Mexico. ( It's too
dangerous, let me cower under the blankets and be scared.)
I usually only see that type of behavior from people who don't actually live in Mexico or even travel there. If you get a chance check out the
anti-Mexico posts on "SignsOnSanDiego" in the Border and Immigration and you'll see what I'm talking about.
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Woooosh
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Carlos Slim's billions in investments go far beyond Mexico. He owns a lot of the USA now actually and I've not heard one American scream foul of a
pending Mexican economic invasion through him. He really doesn't need Mexico to thrive for him to make more money these days.
I do take the US State Department cables at face value, and it seems Mexicans have nodded their heads in agreement to the ones released so far. They
explain what the Mexican people have always known- corruption all the way to the top is rampant and none of the security agencies trust each other
enough to work together. I think it is still too early to know if Mexico can change enough to survive. They are too focused on displacing blame-
just yesterday the Catholic Church here said Satan is causing these problems in Mexico. huh? We're used to the blame placed on the USA, but Satan?
People have short memories. When all the TJ cops were fired and replaced by the military a few years ago that's about as close to martial law you can
get without the next step of actually taking away constitutional rights. But the Mexican Army took advantage of the situation, because they were
corrupt as well. The State department then put out travel warnings and were berated by the Mexican gov't. Then everyone blamed the NOB press.
After a few years of calm we are now going through the same cycle again. It's just a matter of time before tourists are killed. Missionaries and
kids playing soccer don't count I guess. The NOB media was playing along with Mexico and the cross-border business groups the whole time- so you
can't blame their articles on the 20% hotel occupancy rate or 200 real estate transactions for 2010.
The tourism downturn doesn't have everything to do with the crime, it's mostly economics imho (and an advanced degree in economics). People simply
don't have the disposable income or will to travel or buy real estate in Baja like they did just a few short years ago. Baja raised it's prices on
everything to match the economic boom that was 2007 and it now needs to reset them because of the bust. We are going through a paradigm shift and
Mexico must change or perish. More advanced countries like Tunisia and Egypt have educated young masses demanding change. Not down here yet.
The other problem hurting the Baja economy is Mexico itself. They are stuck on stupid. They have confused people into thinking dollars are no longer
welcome in Baja. They have changed the pharmacy laws and killed that industry over prescriptions for antibiotics. They complain tourists aren't
coming to TJ/Rosarito and then they pass a new law to close all the clubs at 1am. Who is going to pay $30 for the same lobster dinner Puerto Nuevo
serves when you can get it from the same Mexican family in San Diego (Ortegas) for the same price. I don't think people are afraid to come to Baja
necessarily, they just don't see the point of coming down here any more and waiting two hours in line to get back home. I think that is why hotel
occupancy is 20% in Rosarito. There's no draw any more and the hotels catering to tourists still charge way too much and once they get here the big
nightclubs that put Rosarito on the map are closed. Iggy never came back- and he basically ran the marketing efforts for Rosarito spring breaks.
Can Rosarito recover? Yes, if it gets back to what it did before they killed the goose that laid the golden egg- offer a close-by, unique travel
experience at a great price. Same for real estate. But they can't make a change like that. It's not in them to. jmho joe
[Edited on 1-27-2011 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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First there was the war on drugs, now it's the war on terror.
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/399.html
Hidden helpers of the heroine trade
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/910.html
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-29/banks-financing-mex...
http://spitfirelist.com/for-the-record/ftr-708-going-deep-wi...
http://videos.videopress.com/c6n90sWW/newamerican-druglords-...
http://www.narconews.com/darkalliance/drugs/start.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GyzoFKNBdU
http://www.amazon.com/Barry-Boys-Americas-Secret-History/dp/...
Catherine Austin Fitts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh0sJcDwW9A
Charles Bowden in Harpers Magazine on US trained undercover hitmen in Mexico
http://www.tomfeiling.com/archive/Harpersmagazinesicariostor...
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same here. although the last two trips resulted in less than an hour at TJ heading north. so that was cool.
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Woosh it seems to me that you are part of the problema-we need to chill the bad news about Rosarito-once again, if you are not selling and dealing in
drugs I believe you will be fine-why spread the fear? As far as crossing back, there are several places in Baja that for a couple of bucks you can get
a fast track pass if you are not interested in a SENTRI-think it would be wise for the gov./restaurant assoc. to make this option more known. You
claim there is no longer incentive to come here-as I write I am looking at the beautiful ocean with frolicking dolphins in front of me-and yes, I live
here full time, have done nothing different than we did 10 years ago. Folks pay good money to be by the beach and enjoy the weather, mexican food,
graciousness of the local folks-why are YOU here?
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LINKS
Thanks for posting these links, Gnu. They make interesting -- albeit depressing -- reading.
I have always wondered if Gary Webb's "suicide" was on the up and up, or yet another uninvestigated murder?
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by krafty
Woosh it seems to me that you are part of the problema-we need to chill the bad news about Rosarito-once again, if you are not selling and dealing in
drugs I believe you will be fine-why spread the fear? As far as crossing back, there are several places in Baja that for a couple of bucks you can get
a fast track pass if you are not interested in a SENTRI-think it would be wise for the gov./restaurant assoc. to make this option more known. You
claim there is no longer incentive to come here-as I write I am looking at the beautiful ocean with frolicking dolphins in front of me-and yes, I live
here full time, have done nothing different than we did 10 years ago. Folks pay good money to be by the beach and enjoy the weather, mexican food,
graciousness of the local folks-why are YOU here? |
I am part of the problem? Chill? I am here because Rosarito is my family' home. You just did the equivalent of telling the Mexicans in the USA to
shut their mouths and go back home to Mexico. What a racist comment. The truth I post here is not to scare people, but to bridge the gap between
what the media reports and the truth. Why are you afraid of the truth? Everyone has their comfort zones. I'm very happy here, but feel everyone
considering a trip to Baja Norte should know what they can expect once they cross into the third world that is of Mexico.
"Chilling" and the philosophy of "manana" are what allowed Mexico to slip back into instability. This is not a country of social activists- Mexicans
tend to peek out their windows, not march in the streets. They feels impotent as the WikiLeaks cables point out (and the new Mexican cables released
this week only reinforce that). I don't think you understand how important this time is for the survival of Mexico. Mexico has to either step up now,
or accept it cannot enforce the rule of law and protect its people. Chilling is the problem here. Why do you think there are 11 million Mexicans in
the USA? They pretty much gave up on Mexico. My Mexican family prefers to stay here, fight for the people and create change.
And while you are watching the dolphins play here in Rosarito today, be aware the beaches are closed all the way to TJ because of the large unchecked
sewage spills. The dolphins you are enjoying are being poisoned by Mexico as you watch. Shame on you for challenging rational peaceful activism and
the truth. Geeesh.
[Edited on 1-28-2011 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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"Can Rosarito recover? Yes, if it gets back to what it did before they killed the goose that laid the golden egg- offer a close-by, unique travel
experience at a great price. Same for real estate. But they can't make a change like that. It's not in them to. jmho joe"
Spot on, it was why many used to choose to come down... not to buy real estate.. but, to cross the border and be into another country... with much
less in the way of perfect roads, services, and things like "electricity" "running water" and "shopping"... but, had lots' of beach, along with
excellent fishing, surfing, camping and "drinking".. without the hassle of State side BS ....
It's changed... but, agree it could come back... if they get over the BS they were sold on Real Estate being an excellent investment opportunity...
rather than a home is a place to just live in.... Enough.. Give me a good cave.. with no plants or granite counter tops....
There are lawyers jokes... think we need a few Real Estate Agent jokes about now... as what a just "cracker jack" job they have down south of the
Border, or wait a minute... NOB too... thanks, a lot ... glad you got your 6% for nothing... pound sand...
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