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[*] posted on 1-26-2011 at 12:35 PM
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California's First Missions are in Baja California...
Data on all 27 missions, GPS, satellite images, as well as maps, photos, mission visitas, and the Camino Real can be found at http://vivabaja.com/bajamissions

1n 1683, Jesuits with Spanish soldiers first tried to colonize California. They first landed at La Paz Bay, but were soon forced north and tried again at San Bruno, just north of Loreto. The effort failed after two years and some ruins of the San Bruno fort are still visible.

They returned!

The 17 Jesuit Missions (with years in operation)

1) Nuestra Seņora de Loreto Concho 1697-1829

2) San Francisco Javier de Biaundo 1699-1817 (moved 5 miles south in 1710)

3) San Juan Bautista de Ligui/ Malibat 1705-1721

4) Santa Rosalia de Mulege 1705-1828

5) San Jose de Comondu 1708-1827 (moved 22 miles south in 1736)

6) La Purisima Concepcion de Cadegomo 1720-1822 (moved 10 miles south in 1735)

7a) Nuestra Seņora del Pilar de la Paz Airapi 1720-1748 (moved to Todos Santos in 1748)

7b) Nuestra Seņora del Pilar de la Paz (Todos Santos) 1748-1840

8) Nuestra Seņora de Guadalupe de Huasinapi 1720-1795

9a) Nuestra Seņora de los Dolores Apate 1721-1741 (moved to La Pasion in 1741)

9b) Nuestra Seņora de los Dolores Chilla (La Pasion) 1741-1768

10) Santiago el Apostal Aiņini 1724-1795 (moved 2 miles south in 1734)

11) Nuestro Seņor San Ignacio Kadakaaman 1728-1840

12) San Jose del Cabo Aņuiti 1730-1840 (moved 5 miles north, then back, then 1 mile north)

13) Santa Rosa de las Palmas (Todos Santos) 1733-1748 (absorbed by moved La Paz mission in 1748)

14) San Luis Gonzaga Chiriyaqui 1737-1768

15) Santa Gertrudis de Cadacaman 1752-1822

16) San Francisco de Borja Adac 1762-1818

17a) Calamajue 1766-1767 (moved 30 miles north in 1767)

17b) Santa Maria de los Angeles 1767-1769

The final 10 Baja California missions...

San Fernando Velicata was the only Franciscan founded mission in Baja California. The Dominicans assumed control of the Baja California missions in 1773.

18) San Fernando Velicata 1769-1818

19) Nuestra Seņora del Rosario Viņaraco 1774-1832 (Moved 2 miles west in 1802)

20) Santo Domingo 1775-1839 (Moved 2 miles east in 1793)

21) San Vicente Ferrer 1780-1833

22) San Miguel Arcangel 1787-1834 (moved 7 miles west in 1788)

23) Santo Tomas de Aquino 1791-1849 (moved 1 mile northeast in 1794, and 2 miles east in 1799)

24) San Pedro Martir de Verona 1794-1806 (moved 7 miles south and nearly 2,000' lower in elevation, after 3 months)

25) Santa Catalina Virgen y Martir 1797-1840

The final two missions are considered by some historians to be only newer locations for the mission of San Miguel...

26) El Descanso 1817-1834 (Also called 'San Miguel Nuevo', moved 1/2 mile north in 1830)

27) Nuestra Seņora de Guadalupe 1834-1840

Guadalupe also happened to be the final mission founded in California (Baja and Alta), well after the end of Spanish rule.

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[*] posted on 1-26-2011 at 01:20 PM


As you are driving N/B thru Santo Tomas, on the right side of the road is a tiny church that is never open. Do you know the story behind it? I've heard that it is over a century old.



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[*] posted on 1-26-2011 at 05:31 PM


David,

Just out of curiosity.... how many of these have you been able to make it to the site of personally? And which of these today would, say, make your top 3 list (or top 5?) of those you've visited - and why?

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[*] posted on 1-26-2011 at 06:09 PM


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As you are driving N/B thru Santo Tomas, on the right side of the road is a tiny church that is never open. Do you know the story behind it? I've heard that it is over a century old.


No... sorry... Just a town church... not sure about 100 years old... but I do have a photo from the 1940's I think of Santo Tomas of the square house.

The mission ruins are very close to the highway on the north side of the El Palomar campground... at the foot of those tall palms (4 growing together). This is the third and final location of the mission. The older two sites are along the road to La Bocana/ Pto. Santo Tomas 2-3 miles west.




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[*] posted on 1-26-2011 at 06:31 PM


You are a man with a mission....
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David,

Just out of curiosity.... how many of these have you been able to make it to the site of personally? And which of these today would, say, make your top 3 list (or top 5?) of those you've visited - and why?

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If I discard the trip of 1966 that took us through San Jose Comondu...

Loreto,
San Javier,
Ligui,
Mulege,
(no ruins at La Paz, Santiago, San Jose del Cabo or Todos Santos, but I have been to those towns and passed by the plaque or newer churches on the old sites),
San Ignacio,
Santa Gertrudis,
San Borja,
Calamajue & Santa Maria (same mission two locations),
San Fernando,
El Rosario (both sites),
Santo Domingo,
San Vicente,
San Miguel,
Santo Tomas (all three sites),
Santa Catalina,
Descanso (outside of fenced site)
Guadalupe (outside of fenced site)

What missions I still have not been to:

Los Dolores (both sites)
San Luis Gonzaga
La Purisima
Guadalupe (del Sur)
San Pedro Martir
and need to see Comondu as an adult!

Los Dolores (first site) and San Pedro Martir are the only two missions you cannot drive a vehicle to. Santa Maria reqiures only the most capable 4WD vehicle to get to.

MUST SEE MISSIONS?

That is really hard for me to narrow down, they all mean so very much to me... even the rubbled or vanished ones!

Worthwhile to visit (that I have seen):

Santo Domingo,
Santa Maria (in the proper vehicle),
San Borja,
San Ignacio,
Loreto,
San Javier.

San Ignacio and Loreto are in the center of those towns, so you will just naturally see them... and Mulege is located in such an awesome spot for photos!

El Rosario's first mission is just a stone's throw off Highway One in town... and the second location is just 2 miles away in El Rosario Abajo (across the river).

San Fernando is notable as the only Franciscan founded mission in Baja, and was founded by Junipero Serra on his way to establish the mission at San Diego, Alta California. It is just 3 miles off Hwy. 1.

San Luis Gonzaga looks awesome... I just haven't been there (yet).




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[*] posted on 1-26-2011 at 10:17 PM


I want to play.. too.

I have visit this misions
EL DESCANSO(outside the fence) no ruins
SAN MIGUEL ARCANGEL (outside de fence the gate was close)
GUADALUPE DEL NORTE (no ruins)
SANTO TOMAS DE AQUINO (two sites by the arroyo and by MX 1) some ruins
SAN VICENTE FERRER
VISITA SAN TELMO DE ARRIBA (no ruins)
SANTO DOMINGO
ROSARIO DE VINARACO (both sites)
SAN FERNANDO DE VELICATA
SAN FRANCISCO DE BORJA ADAC (both sites)
VISITA SANTA ANA
SAN IGNACIO DE KADAKAAMAN
SANTA ROSALIA DE MULEGE
LORETO DE CONCHO
SAN FRANCISCO JAVIER VIGGE-BIAUNDO

TOP 3 ON MY LIST FROM THE ONES THAT I HAVE VISIT
1- SAN JAVIER,(the view of the cupula while driving down the arroyo got me)
2- SAN BORJA,(the stone stairway its just incredible)..
3- SAN IGNACIO,(just the size off it, and the big tree in the back)

MOST WANTED MISSION IN MY LIST
1- SANTA MARIA DE LOS ANGELES
2- SAN JOSE DE COMONDU
3- SAN PEDRO MARTIR SITE ( this is a big one due to its location)




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[*] posted on 2-4-2011 at 02:48 PM
MISSION HISTORY TID BITS of interest!


Of the 27 missions in Baja, 7 of them operated for OVER 100 YEARS!

1) The mission that was in service the longest, was also the first mission LORETO, for 132 years!

2) MULEGE, 123 years
3) LA PAZ/TODOS SANTOS*, 120 years
4) COMONDU, 119 years
5) SAN JAVIER, 118 years
6) SAN IGNACIO, 112 years
7) LA PURISIMA, 102 years

* The original Todos Santos mission was called 'Santa Rosa de las Palmas' and it was operating for 15 years until the older mission of La Paz moved to Todos Santos.

'Todos Santos' was the visita name before it was elevated to mission status, but was usually the name always applied to this location instead of 'Santa Rosa de las Palmas' or 'Pilar de la Paz' (the two mission names).

San Jose del Cabo was reduced to a visita of Santiago from 1748 to 1768, thus its mission status was a total of 90 years and not 110 from founding to closure.

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The missions that lasted the fewest years (less than 30)were:

1) CALAMAJUE/ SANTA MARIA, 3 years
2) GUADALUPE (del Norte), 6 years
3) SAN PEDRO MARTIR, 12 years
4) SANTA ROSA, 15 years
5) LIGUI, 16 years
6) DESCANSO, 17 years



[Edited on 6-15-2012 by David K]

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[*] posted on 2-9-2011 at 07:59 PM


Sorry about cross-posting. Just wanted to add to David's extensive website with this link to a Google Earth file.





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[*] posted on 2-9-2011 at 08:40 PM


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Sorry about cross-posting. Just wanted to add to David's extensive website with this link to a Google Earth file.



No worries amigo!

I also posted this in your thread:

Hi Bryan... I went through about 5 links and I ended back on Google message board and never the kmz file... How about a direct link to the map?

I see you are enjoying the mission stuff... which is great! The photos you took at La Purisma are of the padre's crypts that were next to the mission church... Please see the photos on my mission web pages that show the crypts in the 1950's and the mission as it looked in 1906...

Also, there are ruins at all three mission sites for Santo Tomas... not much, but they are there... A link on my missions pages will take you to Google Earth images at every site where there are ruins or a standing church... with GPS as well... They are all here on Nomad, as well...

The mission history is (or has been) confusing... I have worked at it for many years to get a definite list of actual, true missions... using literature that dates back over 100 years to modern historians who have studied Spanish history in the New World and have published their findings.

Please (everyone interested) go through my 4 web sites (linked from within) on the missions (and several 'visitas') of Baja California:

Jesuit Missions: http://vivabaja.com/missions1
Franciscan & Dominican Missions: http://vivabaja.com/missions2
Mission Visitas (satellite visiting stations): http://vivabaja.com/missions3
GPS and Satellite Views of the mission sites: http://vivabaja.com/missions4

The former web link also takes you to the new first page: http://vivabaja.com/bajamissions




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[*] posted on 3-10-2011 at 02:53 PM
MISSIONS BY THE DECADE 1697-1706, etc.


If we look at what missions were founded by each decade, we get an idea of the great amount of time between mission construction and advancement of Spain on the peninsula.

So during each 10 year block, missions founded during that decade are listed...

1697-1706:
LORETO
SAN JAVIER
LIGUI
MULEGE

1707-1716:
COMONDU

1717-1726:
LA PURISIMA
LA PAZ
GUADALUPE (del Sur)
LOS DOLORES
SANTIAGO

1727-1736:
SAN IGNACIO
SAN JOSE DEL CABO
SANTA ROSA (Todos Santos)

1737-1746
SAN LUIS GONZAGA

1747-1756:
SANTA GERTRUDIS

1757-1766:
SAN BORJA
CALAMAJUE/SANTA MARIA

The Jesuits were removed from the mission program by order of the king in 1767, physically removed off the peninsula in 1768.

1767-1776:
SAN FERNANDO (The only mission founded by the Franciscans)
EL ROSARIO (The first mission founded by the Dominicans)
SANTO DOMINGO

1777-1786:
SAN VICENTE

1787-1796:
SAN MIGUEL
SANTO TOMAS
SAN PEDRO MARTIR

1797-1806:
SANTA CATALINA (the last 'Spanish' mission)

1807-1816:
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1817-1826:
EL DESCANSO (some consider it just a new location for the San Miguel mission, not a true new mission. Mexico had declared independence from Spain in 1810.)

1827-1836:
Guadalupe (del Norte)... The last mission founded in California (Baja or Alta)... considered to be just a new location of Descanso by some historians.




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How about some questions or requests?:light::yes:



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[*] posted on 3-12-2011 at 03:07 PM


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How about some questions or requests?:light::yes:


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i appreciate that you got mission fever. will you post your 4th grade mision project? i am curious to see the genesis of your passion.
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dk:
i appreciate that you got mission fever. will you post your 4th grade mision project? i am curious to see the genesis of your passion.


Being many, many years older than you... our 4th grade study was on Japan. However, in high school (10th grade) I took an elective class called California History... In which I did a report on the first California missions (those in Baja), and I got an A-, thank you very much!:cool:




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our 4th grade study was on Japan.


How do you remember that?? :?::?:
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our 4th grade study was on Japan.


How do you remember that?? :?::?:


It is weird, but my long term memory is pretty great... I remember all our Baja trips from the 60's (age 7-12) with detail...

However, somebody I met last week, if you asked me their name... not a clue!!??:lol::?::(:rolleyes:




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[*] posted on 4-6-2011 at 01:13 PM
Missions that moved to a new location!


The mission number (1-27) are from the full list of missions (see above). When the number appears twice (7a & 7b for example), it means the mission had a name change with the move.

14 of the 27 missions were moved one or more times:

2) San Francisco Javier de Biaundo 1699-1817 (moved 5 miles south in 1710)

5) San Jose de Comondu 1708-1827 (moved 22 miles south in 1736)

6) La Purisima Concepcion de Cadegomo 1720-1822 (moved 10 miles south in 1735)

7a) Nuestra Seņora del Pilar de la Paz Airapi 1720-1748 (moved to Todos Santos in 1748)

7b) Nuestra Seņora del Pilar de la Paz (Todos Santos) 1748-1840

9a) Nuestra Seņora de los Dolores Apate 1721-1741 (moved to La Pasion in 1741)

9b) Nuestra Seņora de los Dolores Chilla (La Pasion) 1741-1768

10) Santiago el Apostal Aiņini 1724-1795 (moved 2 miles south in 1734)

12) San Jose del Cabo Aņuiti 1730-1840 (moved 5 miles north, then back, then 1 mile north)

17a) Calamajue 1766-1767 (moved 30 miles north in 1767)

17b) Santa Maria de los Angeles 1767-1769

19) Nuestra Seņora del Rosario Viņaraco 1774-1832 (Moved 2 miles west in 1802)

20) Santo Domingo 1775-1839 (Moved 2 miles east in 1793)

22) San Miguel Arcangel 1787-1834 (moved 7 miles west in 1788)

23) Santo Tomas de Aquino 1791-1849 (moved 1 mile northeast in 1794, and 2 miles east in 1799)

24) San Pedro Martir de Verona 1794-1806 (moved 7 miles south and nearly 2,000' lower in elevation, after 3 months)

26) El Descanso 1817-1834 (Also called 'San Miguel Nuevo', moved 1/2 mile north in 1830)

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[*] posted on 4-6-2011 at 01:18 PM
Missions that remained at the original site


13 missions were founded at sites that lasted the duration of that mission's life.

1) Nuestra Seņora de Loreto Concho 1697-1829

3) San Juan Bautista de Ligui/ Malibat 1705-1721

4) Santa Rosalia de Mulege 1705-1828

8) Nuestra Seņora de Guadalupe de Huasinapi 1720-1795

11) Nuestro Seņor San Ignacio Kadakaaman 1728-1840

13) Santa Rosa de las Palmas (Todos Santos) 1733-1748 (absorbed by moved La Paz mission in 1748)

14) San Luis Gonzaga Chiriyaqui 1737-1768

15) Santa Gertrudis de Cadacaman 1751-1822

16) San Francisco de Borja Adac 1762-1818

18) San Fernando Velicata 1769-1818

21) San Vicente Ferrer 1780-1833

25) Santa Catalina Virgen y Martir 1797-1840

27) Nuestra Seņora de Guadalupe 1834-1840


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You will be tested on this! :light: :lol::lol::lol: :wow:;D



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First post that started the thread has the KMZ.

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Sorry about cross-posting. Just wanted to add to David's extensive website with this link to a Google Earth file.

No worries amigo!

I also posted this in your thread:

Hi Bryan... I went through about 5 links and I ended back on Google message board and never the kmz file... How about a direct link to the map?




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"If it were lush and rich, one could understand the pull, but it is fierce and hostile and sullen. The stone mountains pile up to the sky and there is little fresh water. But we know we must go back if we live, and we don't know why." - Steinbeck, Log from the Sea of Cortez

 

"People don't care how much you know, until they know how much you care." - Theodore Roosevelt

 

"You can easily judge the character of others by how they treat those who they think can do nothing for them or to them." - Malcolm Forbes

 

"Let others lead small lives, but not you. Let others argue over small things, but not you. Let others cry over small hurts, but not you. Let others leave their future in someone else's hands, but not you." - Jim Rohn

 

"The best way to get the right answer on the internet is not to ask a question; it's to post the wrong answer." - Cunningham's Law







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