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capt. mike
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big news in AZ is....
a group of politicos in southern az want to break from the state and petition to be a new state called baja.
all they have to do is start a war then surrender and get aid for reparations, become a protectorate then get into statehood.
you can't make this schite up folks!! hahaha. 
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BajaGeoff
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I heard about the movement to create "Baja Arizona". Here is their webpage:
Baja Arizona
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BajaGringo
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I love this from their webpage:
If Baja Arizona Became a State
The State Motto would be "mas cerveza".
The State Song would be "Jo Jo" by the Beatles.
The State Animal would be Wiley Coyote.
The State Minstrel is Linda Ronstadt.
Cigarettes would be taxed at the rate of $4.00 per pack to support the new state's free health care system.
There would be no speed limit in Baja Arizona since no one obeys the ones posted now.
Tucson would likely be the capital, creating an economic boom as hordes of lobyyists descended on the town. That might even justify a new hotel in
downtown Tucson.
Small government advocates in Baja Arizona suggest the state capitol be in an RV, which would move around from town to town every 6 weeks.
Alta Arizona would no longer have a border with Mexico.
Baja Arizona could limit the rights of Maricopa County residents to visit for only 24 hours, and ban all real estate developers from Maricopa getting
a Baja Visitor Visa.
Baja Arizona would probably send two Democrats to the US Senate.
WHAT ARE THE CHANCES?
The current Arizona state legislature would have to call a special election, and the people of Alta Arizona and Baja Arizona would have to vote in
favor of splitting the state. Then Congress would have to approve.
The chances of the people in Maricopa County voting to get rid of the concentration of Democrats to the south, and the people of Baja Arizona voting
to sever their ties to the right-wingers to the north are excellent.
The chances in Congress are not so good.
First, there are several proto-states waiting to be created--Puerto Rico, District of Columbia, and Northern California. Baja Arizona is maybe 54th.
The other three would probably send Democrats to Congress, as would Baja Arizona. There is no way the Republicans in the US House and Senate would
create 4 new Democrat delegations in Congress, just like the South blocked the admission of free states before the Civil War. Like the pre-Civil War
period, the only way Baja Arizona gets to be a state is if new Republican dominated states are also admitted. Texas could split into 5 states.
Disneyworld could become a state... how do you think we got a North Dakota and a South Dakota, a Virginia and a West Virginia, and a North and South
Carolina?
Did you know that more people live in Tucson than the entire state of Wyoming?
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capt. mike
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based on the many faces i have seen in southern az now i know why the area was called the gap.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGeoff
I heard about the movement to create "Baja Arizona". Here is their webpage:
Baja Arizona |
I agree with everything bandersnatch says except tht I think the front runners for the
state capital are Ajo and Tombstone, not Tuscon
[Edited on 2-25-2011 by durrelllrobert]
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by morgaine7
Well, there's a precedent of sorts dating back to the Civil War. When Virginia seceded, a portion of the state seceded from Virginia and later became
West Virginia. Not making this up. We found it while doing ancestor research and hitting a dead end at great-great granddaddy Absolom the blacksmith
(b. 1831), who lived in two different states without ever leaving home.
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hillbilly sanctuary in WV and illegals sanctuary in BA
[Edited on 2-25-2011 by durrelllrobert]
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The Rata that Roared. Peter Sellers would be applauding this effort.
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Not a chance! "Dumb and dumber" comes to mind. There's something seriously wrong down there. @#@!!
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Oso
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Amusing. But seriously in real news Pima County is threatening to secede from the state over "embarrassment" caused by the state legislature. SB1070
was a start. Now the legislature is trying to pass an act allowing the state to "nullify" any federal laws it considers to be unconstitutional.
All my childhood I wanted to be older. Now I\'m older and this chitn sucks.
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Perhaps it's because the U of A is located there, but Pima County is the least conservative in the state. I know that AZ State is in Maricopa County,
and Maricopa is much more conservative than Pima. Perhaps that given the relative populations, U of A was just more influential in the Tucson area by
force of numbers.
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Oso
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Possibly. Tucson is home base for my congressman, Raul Grijalva. He was on local radio yesterday. The announcer asked what he thought about the
state legislature. There was a silent pause. "Congressman?", asked the announcer.
"I'm biting my tongue." replied Grijalva.
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capt. mike
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that's how stupid the so. az libs are...
| Quote: | Originally posted by Oso
Amusing. But seriously in real news Pima County is threatening to secede from the state over "embarrassment" caused by the state legislature. SB1070
was a start. Now the legislature is trying to pass an act allowing the state to "nullify" any federal laws it considers to be unconstitutional.
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there is NO parlimentary procedure for a secession from the state, doesn't exist so there is no way to effect it. They are confused by federal
history.
Yet amusingly state Sen. Ron Gould [R] Mohave Co. let them prattle on the house floor which only added to their folly.
Interviewed on radio KNTR this week he laughed as he told the moderator host why he, as the parlimentary officer for committee, let the proponents
speak their mind and intent as a serious [in their minds] movement.
Laughable.....what the left will do to themselves.
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bajaguy
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State of Jefferson
Hmmmmm, sounds like everyone wants to create:
http://www.jeffersonstate.com/firstmap.html
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dizzyspots
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...and we should care what Grijalva says why exactly???
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I am certainly not scholarly enough to have the answers. However, as someone who has been around for almost ever, I have noted a pattern. For those of
you who were around at that time, and for those of you who are students of history, the Eisenhower administration, Ike being a five star general and a
Republican, was more liberal in its social and political outlook than are the Democrats of today.
Ike gave us the Interstate Highway system. Ike preached to us to warn us of the military-industrial complex, which today actually does rule the US.
I was reminded of this by Rachel Maddow, who on the Jay Leno program, stated that as liberal as she was, the Republicans of the Eisenhower era were to
her left on many issues.
I just have to wonder what forces have conspired to drive this nation inexorably right for almost half a century. And whether it is a good thing or a
bad thing. Just thinking about the historic demise of empires.
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mulegemichael
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ok...i'll be the first meat; bad thing.....go ahead, folks, i'm mentally prepared.
dyslexia is never having to say you\'re yrros.
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toneart
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Y soy Carne Asada! Well...it's NOT a good thing! The Empire is being destroyed by
the Right. But, the demonstrators are beginning to come out of their slumber, eehhh? Push too hard and you will get what is coming to you. The
backlash is beginning, eehhh? Perhaps a new World order is in order, eehhh?
It's starting to happen, kids!  
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They almost seceded back in the 30s but the Depression/War overshadowed it.....would have been interesting without Sacramento or Portland to deal
with.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I am certainly not scholarly enough to have the answers. However, as someone who has been around for almost ever, I have noted a pattern. For those of
you who were around at that time, and for those of you who are students of history, the Eisenhower administration, Ike being a five star general and a
Republican, was more liberal in its social and political outlook than are the Democrats of today.
Ike gave us the Interstate Highway system. Ike preached to us to warn us of the military-industrial complex, which today actually does rule the US.
I was reminded of this by Rachel Maddow, who on the Jay Leno program, stated that as liberal as she was, the Republicans of the Eisenhower era were to
her left on many issues.
I just have to wonder what forces have conspired to drive this nation inexorably right for almost half a century. And whether it is a good thing or a
bad thing. Just thinking about the historic demise of empires. |
Why would something that made us more
productive like the interstate highway system be considered either liberal or conservative, and what's left wing about warning us about the undue
influence of corporations tied to the military? It's a false paradigm. Why does everything need to be labeled right or left, we should be asking
instead: Does it make sense? Will it work? Is it efficient? Is it in our best interest? This ideological purity political caca is a game for two
remarkably similar political parties to maintain a duopoly.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I am certainly not scholarly enough to have the answers. However, as someone who has been around for almost ever, I have noted a pattern. For those of
you who were around at that time, and for those of you who are students of history, the Eisenhower administration, Ike being a five star general and a
Republican, was more liberal in its social and political outlook than are the Democrats of today.
Ike gave us the Interstate Highway system. Ike preached to us to warn us of the military-industrial complex, which today actually does rule the US.
I was reminded of this by Rachel Maddow, who on the Jay Leno program, stated that as liberal as she was, the Republicans of the Eisenhower era were to
her left on many issues.
I just have to wonder what forces have conspired to drive this nation inexorably right for almost half a century. And whether it is a good thing or a
bad thing. Just thinking about the historic demise of empires. |
Why would something that made us more
productive like the interstate highway system be considered either liberal or conservative, and what's left wing about warning us about the undue
influence of corporations tied to the military? It's a false paradigm. Why does everything need to be labeled right or left, we should be asking
instead: Does it make sense? Will it work? Is it efficient? Is it in our best interest? This ideological purity political caca is a game for two
remarkably similar political parties to maintain a duopoly. |
Word.
All this "right-left" crap is a distraction from the real problem. Our political system, ergo the country and by extension the world, is effectively
controlled by a few hundred people people. Most of us are milked by the system for the profits of the few. Cable TV and the 24hr news cycle has been
the death of us. Facts have been devalued and critical thinking crushed, might as well just put your head in a stanchion.
I need a beer...
Were it not for the abdomen, man would easily reckon himself a god.
Friedrich Nietzsche
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