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BajaWarrior
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Anyone hear this one yet?
Mexican Sailors Board San Diego-Based Dive Boat
Incident Happened Near Mexico's Coronado Islands
POSTED: 6:12 pm PDT April 13, 2011
UPDATED: 7:09 pm PDT April 13, 2011
SAN DIEGO -- An afternoon cruise turned into a hostile situation for dozens of people over the weekend when Mexican sailors with machine guns boarded
a San Diego-based dive boat.
The incident happened on Sunday off the Coronado Islands resulted in a two hour standoff. Thought it was an extreme adventure, it was one that
passengers on the charter boat did not sign up for.
"Probably a few of them were nervous because of the guns but overall, I think they were all right," said the boat's captain Spencer Salmon.
Salmon was leading a group of 38 passengers who completed three dives flawlessly off the Coronado Islands on Sunday.The Horizon charter boat was
positioned just to the north of the southernmost island in Mexico's Coronado Islands.
Two Mexican naval ships approached the Horizon. A 180-foot Mexican battleship was standing guard several hundred feet to the northeast, while a
25-foot cutter came right up next to the Horizon. Six members of the Mexican Navy armed with assault weapons boarded the American boat, as the
passengers were ordered to the boat's rear deck for what turned out to be an agonizing wait. On deck, passengers with young children grew more nervous
as the delay dragged on.
The passengers were detained for two hours and then forced to leave Mexican waters.
Salmon admitted the situation became heated with a Mexican Navy commander wanted to see a Mexican diving permit.
"I've never heard of one but [I'm] happy to look into it and figure an answer out," said Salmon.
On Wednesday, Salmon went to the Mexican consulate downtown for a meeting with authorities from both countries.
All parties said they're seeking a solution that will prevent the same thing from happening again.
[Edited on 4-14-2011 by BajaWarrior]
Haven't had a bad trip yet....
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baja829
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Isn't there a Mexican Navy Base on the Coronado Islands? Maybe they got too close???
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Dave
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The Coronado Islands are Mexican soil which means the Mexican Navy can do whatever it wants.
[Edited on 4-14-2011 by Dave]
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["A 180-foot Mexican battleship was standing guard several hundred feet to the northeast"]
I would love to see a 180 foot battleship. Was it made by Tonka?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
["A 180-foot Mexican battleship was standing guard several hundred feet to the northeast"]
I would love to see a 180 foot battleship. Was it made by Tonka? |
Just like, " Master and Commander"
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Saw this on the news last night and didn't understand the uproar. The boat was in Mexican waters and the Mexican Navy boarded the ship and asked for
papers.
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Mexican waters
I agree if in Mexican waters should expect to be boarded!
Did the captain have proper permits to do business in Mexico?
Did passengers have approval to enter the country?
Why do we think Mexico should treat us differently than the US should treat them?
Ron San Felipe Oct, Nov. Feb. Mar. April. remainder in Juneau Ak
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| Quote: | Originally posted by akshadow
I agree if in Mexican waters should expect to be boarded!
Did the captain have proper permits to do business in Mexico?
Did passengers have approval to enter the country?
Why do we think Mexico should treat us differently than the US should treat them? |
Gee I cannot count the times I have been stopped of of Long beach by the Game Warden checking for my fishing license, whats the difference???? I have
watched the Military check Mexican Clam Diggers for Pismo clams that are too small.
An experienced Dive Boat operator that plys Mexican waters is supposed to be bersed on Mexican requirements, is that not what you are paying for? Any
long range boat heading into Mexican Waters makes sure you have th proper licenses before they leave Port!!!!
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Let's see if I understand this correctly.  ..
An American boat is in Mexican waters and is stopped by Mexican authorities for an inspection. OK......... So what's your point..
Wonder what would have happened had that same Mexican boat ventured a couple of miles farther north, say like up to the Imperial Beach pier or maybe
around the Hotel Del Coronado and the US Naval Amphibious base where the Seal Teams are trained??
Do you think it would have been stopped and boarded likewise??
I too, don't understand the big too doo.....
Why do so many Americans think they can do anything they want anywhere in the world and are not subject to the laws of that country ???
[Edited on 4-14-11 by KASHEYDOG]
Don\'t mess with the old dog...... Age and skill will always overcome youth and treachery! Brilliance only comes with age and
experience.....  ....  ....
Are you getting the most out of life OR is life getting the most out of you ??
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It's about $$$
More of the US press and their yellow journalism regarding Mexico......Anything negative that they can print regarding Mexico helps keep US tourists
and US tourist dollars in the US
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
More of the US press and their yellow journalism regarding Mexico......Anything negative that they can print regarding Mexico helps keep US tourists
and US tourist dollars in the US |
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Got that right, Terry .. ...
Also the lack of respect for authority, property and each other that is so prevalent in our society today.. ..
[Edited on 4-14-11 by KASHEYDOG]
Don\'t mess with the old dog...... Age and skill will always overcome youth and treachery! Brilliance only comes with age and
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Two hours is way excessive for such an inspection on that type of boat, with children on board. That's an act of aggression. The captain either had
required documents or not. "Six members of the Mexican Navy armed with assault weapons boarded the American boat." I'm sure there are plenty of
boats that go out there, private and commercial - is this standard procedure? If they were too close to the military base, they should have just been
told, possibly issued a citation and told to leave. When you have a Mexican fishing license, you don't have an implied concomitant visa ("approval to
enter the country"). But I don't believe you need an individual license to dive if you're not spearfishing, unless it's in a marine park or natural
preserve. I agree that boarding vessels and checking documents is allowed, but just do the job. Excessive detention could be considered an arrest.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
Two hours is way excessive for such an inspection on that type of boat, with children on board. That's an act of aggression. The captain either had
required documents or not. "Six members of the Mexican Navy armed with assault weapons boarded the American boat." I'm sure there are plenty of
boats that go out there, private and commercial - is this standard procedure? If they were too close to the military base, they should have just been
told, possibly issued a citation and told to leave. When you have a Mexican fishing license, you don't have an implied concomitant visa ("approval to
enter the country"). But I don't believe you need an individual license to dive if you're not spearfishing, unless it's in a marine park or natural
preserve. I agree that boarding vessels and checking documents is allowed, but just do the job. Excessive detention could be considered an arrest.
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Sorry, but I really don't think OUR standards ( laws )apply in Mexico. After all it is a " sovereign country " and
correct me if I'm wrong, but I've always heard things got done a little slower there. .... .. At least that's been my experience.. ....
Let's not forget the age old rule given me by my Master many years ago. He said, "Grasshopper", ""when in Rome do as the Romans
do"......
[Edited on 4-14-11 by KASHEYDOG]
Don\'t mess with the old dog...... Age and skill will always overcome youth and treachery! Brilliance only comes with age and
experience..... .... ....
Are you getting the most out of life OR is life getting the most out of you ??
Twenty years from now you\'ll be more disappointed by the things you didn\'t do then the things you did.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by baronvonbob
| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
["A 180-foot Mexican battleship was standing guard several hundred feet to the northeast"]
I would love to see a 180 foot battleship. Was it made by Tonka? |
Just like, " Master and Commander" |
Be nice now, you should see the size of one of there Aircraft Carriers.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by baronvonbob
Gee I cannot count the times I have been stopped of of Long beach by the Game Warden checking for my fishing license, whats the difference????
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Assault weapons, for one thing. Folks here who don't see the excessivness of the incident are born victims.
Are there any Americans left who have it in themselves to be indignant when the situation calls for it? Certainly doesn't seem to be any here.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajaboy
Saw this on the news last night and didn't understand the uproar. The boat was in Mexican waters and the Mexican Navy boarded the ship and asked for
papers. |
The Coronado Islands are being used to stage the panga human smuggling rings. Even the Desert Angels are putting emergency supplies on them because
the pollos are being stranded there. Fair game imho.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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I assume all those who have no problem with this also have no problem with the Arizona law (which is a watered down version of the Federal law) that
says a police officer can demand "papers" from a person who is detained as part of law enforcement action.
Any real difference?
Papers please!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by preston
I assume all those who have no problem with this also have no problem with the Arizona law (which is a watered down version of the Federal law) that
says a police officer can demand "papers" from a person who is detained as part of law enforcement action.
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I have no [less than no] problem with the procedures in Arizona although I do have problems with ham-handed armed assaults on a sport boat in the name
of license verification.
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| Quote: | | I have no [less than no] problem with the procedures in Arizona although I do have problems with ham-handed armed assaults on a sport boat in the name
of license verification. |
Does that mean you have a license to stand nekkid on your deck in Punta Banda?????
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
Two hours is way excessive for such an inspection on that type of boat, with children on board. That's an act of aggression.
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I disagree! the 2 hours is indication that the dive operator had no papers (was running an illegal business) and/or was mouthing off to the Mexicans.
And children are tougher than parents, children probably handled it better than parents.
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