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DENNIS
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Mexico wants to sue U.S. gun makers
I wonder if the lawyers will insist on payment up front? 
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CBS News has learned that the Mexican Government has retained an American law firm to explore filing civil charges against U.S. gun manufacturers and
distributors over the flood of guns crossing the border into Mexico.
Sources say Mexico's frustration with U.S. efforts to stop the flow of weapons has pushed them into this novel approach. The law firm is looking at
charges that may include civil RICO. The contract was signed on November 2, 2010 by a representative of Mexico's Attorney General, at their Washington
embassy.
On November 5, 2010 President Felipe Calderon expressed his frustration to CBS News correspondent Peter Greenberg: "We seized more than 90,000
weapons...I am talking like 50,000 assault weapons, AR-15 machine guns, more than 8,000 grenades and almost 10 million bullets. Amazing figures and
according to all those cases, the ones we are able to track, most of these are American weapons."
According to sources, investigators will obtain makes and serial numbers of guns seized by Mexican authorities and trace them to their U.S.
distributors and manufacturers.
Watch: the Deadly City of Juarez, Mexico
Christopher Renzulli of New York, who has represented U.S. gun makers for fifteen years, says he believes this would be a difficult case for the
Mexican government to win. "The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act would bar that kind of lawsuit from the start. The law, passed in 2005 has
resulted in several lawsuits against gun makers being dismissed.
But sources familiar with the case say the law firm retained by Mexico - New York based Reid Collins & Tsai - believes the federal law won't stand
in the way of their case.
According to the Mexican government database, there were 15,273 drug-related killings in 2010.Overall, a total of 34,612 people have died in
drug-related killings in the four years since Mexican President Felipe Calderon declared a stepped-up offensive against drug cartels.
Richard Feldman, President of the Independent Firearms Association and former gun industry association executive said: "Maybe we should be suing the
Mexican government for their failure to prevent drugs from coming into our country."
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20056210-10391695.html
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
According to the Mexican government database, there were 15,273 drug-related killings in 2010.Overall, a total of 34,612 people have died in
drug-related killings in the four years since Mexican President Felipe Calderon declared a stepped-up offensive against drug cartels.
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From these figures it appears that the guns are working as advertised.
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woody with a view
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i want to sue Mexico for the drugs they send this way. any Nomad lawyers wanna take the case, pro bono?
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
i want to sue Mexico for the drugs they send this way. |
If you're talking about weed then I agree.
It's crap.
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Bajahowodd
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Sadly, weed is the least of the problems. The cartels have quietly infiltrated many US cities to distribute coke and god knows what. Seriously,
whether it's Nashville, Charlotte, Chicago or Atlanta, there is a sophisticated distribution system in place.
Kinda feel like the cartels have realized, what with the relaxing of marijuana access in the US, that they must work with much harder drugs.
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Stickers
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
According to the Mexican government database, there were 15,273 drug-related killings in 2010.Overall, a total of 34,612 people have died in
drug-related killings in the four years since Mexican President Felipe Calderon declared a stepped-up offensive against drug cartels.
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MrBillM
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Cartels Distributing Coke
Another reason to drink Pepsi.
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BajaGringo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Another reason to drink Pepsi. |
I remember drinking Coca-Cola in Argentina back in the early 70's and commented on how different it tasted - almost tea-like. I later learned they
were still making it with the coca leaf recipe down there; something they stopped doing before the World Cup of 1978.
I assume they used the same recipe in the US at one time - anybody know/remember?
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805gregg
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
According to the Mexican government database, there were 15,273 drug-related killings in 2010.Overall, a total of 34,612 people have died in
drug-related killings in the four years since Mexican President Felipe Calderon declared a stepped-up offensive against drug cartels.
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The US gun makers should get a bounty fee on every scumbag they help to cut down. How about 2k per head.
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MrBillM
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Excellent Point !
Since the VAST Majority of the Gun Deaths are BAD Guys (NHI crimes as they say), U.S. Guns are performing a Needed Service in Mexico. They should be
PAYING us rather than demanding we pay them.
*NHI - No Humans Involved.
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choyero
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Doesn't the Mexican Military use US made guns as well?
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by choyero
Doesn't the Mexican Military use US made guns as well? |
No, they use german and domestic assault weapons.
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Gringo Guns down South ?
Well, the military does (or did) use the M-2 and the M-60. It's likely they still use the M-2. Nothing better for the job.
But, in the smaller arms, at roadblocks I have seen those guys in Black (complete with ski-masks) toting M-16s at times. No idea why since they have
so many weapons to choose from. Picked up at the Segundaria ?
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choyero
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by choyero
Doesn't the Mexican Military use US made guns as well? |
No, they use german and domestic assault weapons. |
no wonder why they are losing the war.
But seriously there is a lot of US hardware down here. Lots of M16s and AR15's, no mistaking these guns or their origin.
They should start collecting and using the guns they sieze from the bad guys rather than destroy them.
AK47's are great guns, and they seem to be the gun of choice amongst cartels . However, these are made outside the United States. Is Mexico going to
try and sue the Russians, Romanians and Chinese gun manufactures as well? 
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choyero
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just found this here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Army
Infantry weapons
FX-05 Assault rifle
G3 Assault rifle
FN P90 Submachine gun
RPG-29 Rocket propelled grenade
MSG-90
MILAN
Regular infantry
Heckler & Koch G3 7.62x51mm NATO. Currently standard issue.
FX-05 Xiuhcoatl 5.56x45mm NATO
Military police
FN FAL 7.62x51mm NATO assault rifle
Heckler & Koch G3 7.62x51mm NATO assault rifle
Special forces
M4A1 5.56x45mm NATO carbine
FN P90 5.7x28mm Submachine Gun [24]
CeremonialMondragón
F-08 7 x 57 mm Mauser automatic rifle used for ceremonial occasions
Submachine guns
Heckler & Koch MP5 9 mm Submachine Gun
Menzoda HM-4 .45 calibre submachine Gun
Shotguns
Remington 870 12 gauge pump action shotgun
Mossberg 500 12 gauge pump action shotgun
Machine guns
M2 Browning machine gun 12.7 mm (.50 cal)machine gun
HK21A1 7.62 machine gun. Made under license from Heckler & Koch
FN MAG 7.62 mm Heavy Infantry Machine Gun
M60 7.62 mm machine gun
FN MINIMI 5.56 mm light machine gun
M-134 minigun
Sniper rifles
Heckler & Koch MSG90 7.62x51mm NATO sniper rifle.
M24 Sniper Weapon System 7.62x51mm NATO sniper rifle
Barrett M82 12.7×99mm NATO (.50 Cal) sniper rifle
Pistols
FN Five-seven 5.7x28mm standard armor piercing pistol
Beretta 92 9x19mm side arm
Glock pistol 9x19mm side arm used by some infantry and
military police units
Heckler & Koch USP 11.43x23mm (.45 ACP) replacing Beretta 92.
CornerShot system.
In use for Special Force.
HKP-7 9 mm PARABELUM made by the Mexican army industries, in use for presidencials bodyguards and military police.
Grenade launchers
Mk 19 40mm grenade machine gun.
M203 grenade launcher 40mm grenade launcher.
Anti-tank missile systems
MILAN Anti-tank guided missile mounted on VBL scout vehicles.
Anti-tank gun
M40 106 mm recoilless rifle anti-tank gun mounted on High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle
Anti-tank rocket weapon system
B-300 82 mm light anti-tank rocket
RL-83 Blindicide 83 mm light
anti-tank rocket
RPG-29
RPG-7
Artillery
Field howitzersM101 105 mm towed Howitzer
OTO Melara Mod 56 105 mm towed Howitzer
Mortars
Brandt 60 mm LR Gun-mortar (1,561)
M1/M29 81 mm (330)
Brandt 120 mm (75)
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by choyero
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by choyero
Doesn't the Mexican Military use US made guns as well? |
No, they use german and domestic assault weapons. |
no wonder why they are losing the war.
But seriously there is a lot of US hardware down here. Lots of M16s and AR15's, no mistaking these guns or their origin.
They should start collecting and using the guns they sieze from the bad guys rather than destroy them.
AK47's are great guns, and they seem to be the gun of choice amongst cartels . However, these are made outside the United States. Is Mexico going to
try and sue the Russians, Romanians and Chinese gun manufactures as well?
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The G3 that the military use is a far better weapon than the M16, and the newer FX05 is also better than most american guns.
It is a myth that cartels are better armed than the military, that is simply not true at all.
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choyero
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
The G3 that the military use is a far better weapon than the M16, and the newer FX05 is also better than most american guns.
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Don't doubt that for a second, the M16 was designed in 1957!
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Well, the military does (or did) use the M-2 and the M-60. It's likely they still use the M-2. Nothing better for the job.
But, in the smaller arms, at roadblocks I have seen those guys in Black (complete with ski-masks) toting M-16s at times. No idea why since they have
so many weapons to choose from. Picked up at the Segundaria ? |
If they have M16s they are not military. The marinos do use M16 but that's only the regular infantry that you never see in the street. Marines that do
conduct operations in the streets are special forces, and they are heavily armed with the best weapons money can buy.
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by choyero
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
The G3 that the military use is a far better weapon than the M16, and the newer FX05 is also better than most american guns.
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Don't doubt that for a second, the M16 was designed in 1957!
[Edited on 4-24-2011 by choyero] |
Its not the age of the weapon, the M16 tends to be les reliable do to maintanence issues mainly. The Ak47 is far more reliable but a lot less
accurate. The G3 is reliable, accurate, and packs a heavier punch than a Ak47, but is too heavy and long.
Thats why the mex military created the Fx05:
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Armed Enough
All of the nitpicking over which Rifle is BEST is a bit meaningless since ANY of them are good ENOUGH.
The IMPORTANT difference is the Quality of those who pull the trigger. And, those who do the directing.
Well ................
The days of Emilio Zapata are long gone.
But, if they ever went to war against France or Italy, Who knows ?
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