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soccerscotty21
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San Quintin Church
This might be sort of a reach, but I have heard that there is an LDS (mormon) church in either San Quintin or Lazaro Card##as. Anyone who is very
familiar with the area know exactly where it is? Thanks.
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Hi Soccerscotty21
According to the news release from the LDS website, they are planning to build a temple in Tijuana, but there is no info about a temple in San
Quintin.
http://www.ldschurchtemples.com/tijuana/
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soccerscotty21
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Yes, good news about the temple in TJ. that's awesome. There are hundreds of church buildings in mexico, several in the Baja. The temple is a place
of worship for a larger geographic location, different types of services and work is performed there. Most Mormons only go to the temple every month
or sometimes less often depending on how close it is. In smaller geographic locations are meetinghouses where weekly Sunday services are held. I am
sure in the Baja most of these meetinghouses are small and you might not even know it was a church if you were driving past. According to the church
website there is a meetinghouse risk on the transpeninsular highway in San Quentin, but then the map shows Lazaro Card##as. So i'm just trying to see
if anyone has actually been there or at least noticed it when driving past. Thanks.
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There are the Morman polygamist colonies in Mexico just as there are in Utah and Arizona...
I recall one near Colonia Guerrero, just north of San Quintin...
Okay, I just checked my books... In the 1970 Auto. Club guide to Baja Norte, page 27:
0.0 Colonia Guerrero
1.0 Turnoff to Colonia Mormona, and a good approach route to the sea. Look for strange windmills easily spotted from the main road, marking the
location of the Mormon colony.
11.7 Valle de San Quintin. This growing village contains a PEMEX district station on the northwest side and , surprisingly, a pool hall.
15.4 Signed turnoff top Bahia de San Quintin's bayside accomodations (Ernesto's Motel and Old Mill Motel).
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There is no Mormon Colony any more. they left in the late 80's.
It was just about 2 miles south of Vicente Guerrero in ej zarahemla. It was just over the hill from Vicente Guerrero. When you leave San Quintin for
the North it will be on the west side of the road. It is now a Christian colony. It is called IDT most of the people are from Northern California.
The Mormons went to settle in Cancun when most of them left here. They had the biggest colony in Chihuahua . They were not welcome in Cancun so they
returned to just Chihuahua. At one time discovery channel did a program about them and here in this town. One brother killed the other to be the
leader here.
When i first moved here 3 of the ladies from there would come over here to sell butter, cheese and cakes. We did at that time buy them for the
Restaurant. They all had the same husband. He had 10 wifes then and 77 kids. I talked to him once when he was in town. Not really my kind of person.
But his wifes were really nice ladies. But real Mormons not really because they would drink coffee with me. Not allowed no caffeine.
there are still a few Mormons here with just 1 wife. I have never heard of a Mormon Temple here not even in the 80's.
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Yeah its probably nothing big. its likely only a group of 20 or so people who get together, possibly in a rented out building. A lot of small
meetinghouses are like this. You would probably have to be a memeber/ex-member to know where it is. Hopefully we will get lucky and find it this
sunday. Thanks for all your help.
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let me check with my daughter and see if she knows. Her friend from elementary school married a Mormon.
email me
posadadondiego@yahoo.com
Irene
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Irene, that is an awesome update of Colonia Mormona history... thank you!
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soccerscotty21,
Just to let you know they do have a Church/Temple in EJ Zarahemla. There are still many Mormons in the Area. I was told you can not miss it as you
drive in and many people over there speak english. But you should have no problem to find it.
@David lots of history over the hill from here. Still a few families with a few spare wifes. But like before. All the people I new from there are
gone and they were such nice ladies.
drive careful and enjoy the adventure
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Any of the 'strange' windmills still there?
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I just went down and looked, there is an LDS Brass plaque on a large building at the South end of Lazaro Card##as, right at the City Limits on the
East side of the street, next to an orange colored sea food restaurant.
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Correct. I've noticed it a couple times as I drove past. Doesn't look like a church but you will see the typical plaque.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Any of the 'strange' windmills still there? |
Sorry I am out of the loop, but strange windmills? JH
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajamedic
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Any of the 'strange' windmills still there? |
Sorry I am out of the loop, but strange windmills? JH |
It is what the Auto Club guide of 1970 said (see my post above, and here again):
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
There are the Morman polygamist colonies in Mexico just as there are in Utah and Arizona...
I recall one near Colonia Guerrero, just north of San Quintin...
Okay, I just checked my books... In the 1970 Auto. Club guide to Baja Norte, page 27:
0.0 Colonia Guerrero
1.0 Turnoff to Colonia Mormona, and a good approach route to the sea. Look for strange windmills easily spotted from the main road, marking the
location of the Mormon colony.
11.7 Valle de San Quintin. This growing village contains a PEMEX district station on the northwest side and , surprisingly, a pool hall.
15.4 Signed turnoff top Bahia de San Quintin's bayside accomodations (Ernesto's Motel and Old Mill Motel). |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by baronvonbob
I just went down and looked, there is an LDS Brass plaque on a large building at the South end of Lazaro Card##as, right at the City Limits on the
East side of the street, next to an orange colored sea food restaurant. |
They recently fixed up the place but I have never actually seen what appears to be anybody having services there???
That seafood place is actually quite good and gives you a lot of food for the money...
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Day of Vengeance
Ervil had too much time to think and plot while he was locked up, and shortly after he was released, he published a new fire-and-brimstone essay
called "Hour of Crisis - Day of Vengeance."
Written in pompous-sounding King James English, the tract was barely coherent. Only after the Firstborners read and reread it were they able to eke
out its meaning. It was essentially a list of demands on the Firstborn church. Among other things, he demanded that the congregation fork over their
tithes directly to him, according to Bradlee and Van Atta.
"It is a criminal offense, punishable by death, for an enlightened people to pay tithes and offerings to thieves and robbers (and other fundamentalist
leaders), Ervil wrote. "The sword of vengeance (will) hang over the heads of all those who should fail to hear the word of the Lord. Willful failure
to comply with (the book's) minimum requirements constitutes the crime of rebellion against God."
In other words, anyone who didn't pay dues to Ervil should die.
While Ervil was in prison, his mother wrote him that he "should not be in jail, but in a mental hospital," and from his latest diatribe, it certainly
appeared that Ervil was suffering from delusions of grandeur.
His ultimatum was met by a wall of silence, and Ervil decided the apostates must be punished. He told his followers that he'd had yet another
revelation: they must destroy Los Molinos.
The day after Christmas, he sent his footsoldiers across the border into Baja under cover of night, bearing firebombs and assault weapons. As some 30
Firstborn families gathered around their wood-burning stoves or tucked their children into bed, a pickup truck and a Fiat turned onto the dirt road
leading to the quiet farming commune, cut their headlights, and slowed to a crawl. The temperatures hovered near freezing that night, and smoke rose
from the chimneys of the cozy homes into the dark blue sky.
The peaceful tableau was shattered by a Molotov c-cktail crashing through the window of the town's largest house, according to Anderson. Within
seconds, the wood-framed house was engulfed in fire. The occupants ran outside, and in the confusion that followed, Ervil's thugs sprayed bullets over
the people racing to form a water brigade, their figures silhouetted against the dancing orange flames.
The assailants barreled through the settlement throwing more firebombs into homes as they made their way toward their primary target: Verlan's abode.
The Firstborn leader wasn't home, but his wife Charlotte and six of their children were. When they saw the truck with five armed men in the back
making an erratic beeline for their house, they ran to hide in a dark orchard while the men shot up their house and set it on fire.
The 20-minute onslaught left two men dead, 13 people wounded, and Ervil spitting mad because his brother was still alive.
Total World Domination
Ervil's plans kept getting bigger. After taking over Los Molinos, he wanted to take over the governments of Mexico and the United States, and
eventually rule the world.
He decided to finance his bid for total world domination by killing his religious rivals and stealing their business.
At this point, the Lamb of God church consisted largely of his Ervil's wives and progeny. But there were also enough outsiders to keep the baby
propagation going, and like an ancient king, Ervil controlled the "romantic" liaisons in his realm. He had first dibs on the females, arranged
marriages between subjects, and gave away his daughters to men he wanted to cement relationships with or reward for good behavior.
The ever-expanding clan moved to Utah, where Ervil dropped in on the patriarchs of other polygamous tribes and demanded they give him 10% of their
earnings... or die. The patriarchs told him to get lost.
Meanwhile, back in Los Molinos, the Firstborn families were sleeping with guns by their sides and had organized patrols to watch their property.
Verlan was living in a safe house in San Diego.
Ervil had moles firmly planted amid the Firstborners who reported back to him on these activities. But some of these people started getting nervous
after the raid. One of them was Noemi Zarate, a plural wife of one of Ervil's close associates. Noemi got a bad case of loose lips and complained
about the violence, threatening to tell the police the location of Ervil's whereabouts. With the full blessing of Noemi's husband, Ervil decided to
shut her up once and for all, and dispatched one of his wives, Vonda White, to assassinate her, Anderson writes.
The two women had known each other for years, so it wasn't hard for Vonda to convince Noemi to go for a spin in her car on a chilly January evening in
1975. They drove to a canyon in the foothills of the rugged San Pedro (Martir) Mountains. In that dark canyon, Vonda pumped the mother of five full of
bullets before she could beg for mercy. Another of Ervil's wives, Yolanda Rios - who would herself be murdered a decade later - helped Vonda dig a
shallow grave among the creosote bushes, into which they dumped Noemi's body. It has never been found. "You don't know how pleased the Lord is that
that traitor is dead!" Ervil rejoiced when he heard the news.
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Oh never hear all that. I just know what happened in EJ Zarahemla.
soccerscotty21 did you find the Church in Zarahemla?
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Irene, about the windmills (see above)?
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Irene, it happened many long years ago in Ejido Zarahemla when it was called Colonia Los Molinos because of the homemade windmills the polygamist
built. Unfortunately my brother Eddie was one of those involved with Ervil LeBaron and helped commit the bloodshed at the colony with several others.
Eddie was subsequently murdered several years later by the son of my mother Anna Mae and Ervil LeBaron and our half-brother Heber LeBaron who is now
doing life in prison in Texas. Back then the Colony was administered by Alma LeBaron Sr. one of Ervil LeBaron’s brothers. If you ask them they will
tell you about what happened. I went to them for aid and comfort back when I was a homeless kid in the late 60’s but once they found out my mother was
Anna Mae they chased me away causing me to go to the beach down the road and become a clam digger.
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Oh I never new it was called Los Molinos.
I can not remember the guy in charge in the 80 his last name was Jones his first name I am hot sure. I have a story about him maybe some time if you
stop by. He was here maybe about 4 or so years ago. He wants to claim all the hill because he said it is the EJ and it is his. My husband told him go
for it. said he was to old to start it now.
I knew there was a shoot out there but when you said Los Molinos I thought maybe south pass Card##as when the Restaurant was. But knew that was Sr.
Vela's and never hear about the Mormons there.
I am sorry you had to go through so many things as a child. Some things make us much stronger people. I hope it make you stronger.
Please stop by sometime and see me. I would like to meet you. Just all of next month I will be gone. On my own adventure.
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