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teadust
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the "Baja Image Committee"
"We can’t speak for all of Mexico, although we believe the violence in Mexico takes place in only 5 percent of the country, certainly not Baja."
—Expats Look to Improve Image of Baja
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Woooosh
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And what do you expect propaganda to sound like? The world economy is in the chitter and Mexico thinks they are being unfairly picked on. The Baja
real estate market isn't coming back in our lifetime. Tourism is a function of how people feel about their financial situations. Unless you are a
vacation destination of the rich and famous- you will be left out.
[Edited on 6-16-2011 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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Woooosh.....what this committee of self-serving people don't know, they don't want to know. Believe me....I know.
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jenny.navarrette
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| Quote: | Originally posted by teadust
"We can’t speak for all of Mexico, although we believe the violence in Mexico takes place in only 5 percent of the country, certainly not Baja."
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20% of the population of Mexico lives in a community were the homicide rate was greater than 25 per 100,000. The homicide rate in the US is 5 per
100,000.
40% of the population of Mexico lives in a community were the homicide rate was greater than 15 per 100,000, which is three time the homicide rate in
the US.
80% of the population of Mexico lives in a community were the homicide rate was greater than the homicide rate in the US.
It is so easy to lie when nobody checks your numbers.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
And what do you expect propaganda to sound like? The world economy is in the chitter and Mexico thinks they are being unfairly picked on. The Baja
real estate market isn't coming back in our lifetime. Tourism is a function of how people feel about their financial situations. Unless you are a
vacation destination of the rich and famous- you will be left out.
[Edited on 6-16-2011 by Woooosh] |
I fail to understand why ex-pats would care about tourism. Most I talk with wish that tourists stayed away. Most of 'em want peace and quiet. I would
also think that tourism would be a hindrance to the real estate market.
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teadust
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jenny.navarrette
20% of the population of Mexico lives in a community were the homicide rate was greater than 25 per 100,000. The homicide rate in the US is 5 per
100,000.
40% of the population of Mexico lives in a community were the homicide rate was greater than 15 per 100,000, which is three time the homicide rate in
the US.
80% of the population of Mexico lives in a community were the homicide rate was greater than the homicide rate in the US.
It is so easy to lie when nobody checks your numbers. |
I concur, and am wondering where that chart originated? Was it published by U.S. organization, or one in Mexico? I'd like to learn more about the data
used to produce that. Cheers.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
I would also think that tourism would be a hindrance to the real estate market. |
I believe there used to be something that could be called real estate tourism. Lots of visitors driving around looking for that special place to buy.
That was long ago....in another time....before the melt-down.....seven or eight wars ago......seems like.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
And what do you expect propaganda to sound like? The world economy is in the chitter and Mexico thinks they are being unfairly picked on. The Baja
real estate market isn't coming back in our lifetime. Tourism is a function of how people feel about their financial situations. Unless you are a
vacation destination of the rich and famous- you will be left out.
[Edited on 6-16-2011 by Woooosh] |
I fail to understand why ex-pats would care about tourism. Most I talk with wish that tourists stayed away. Most of 'em want peace and quiet. I would
also think that tourism would be a hindrance to the real estate market. |
I would guess most of these people have a financial connection to economic growth here. People won't buy real estate in a place tourists won't visit.
A lot of people bought more than one condo/house down here during the short-lived boom period as an investment. They are screwed on the second unit.
The return of Tourism is a "warm fuzzy" that let's people know they are retiring in a safe, desirable location. So that's why they start there. If
it's not perceived as safe for tourists, who will come down for real estate road shows to buy a place? Nada. That's the only way Baja real estate
can attempt to command the top dollar they used to get- start with the return of Tourism. Ex-pats used to boast how they would avoid Rosarito Beach at
all cost during spring break because it was so crazy and busy. Not any more.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Woooosh.....what this committee of self-serving people don't know, they don't want to know. Believe me....I know. |
They are so socially and financially vested in Baja's success that they can't think or see logically? They're just too close to the forest to see the
trees- or maybe they are financially tapped-out and this is their best course of action to get the money they need to retire that their original
investment plan in Baja didn't set them up for. Hard to figure why people would encourage others to pay too much for fried lobster, street parking and
condos- unless they have something to gain from it themselves.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
I would also think that tourism would be a hindrance to the real estate market. |
I believe there used to be something that could be called real estate tourism. Lots of visitors driving around looking for that special place to buy.
That was long ago....in another time....before the melt-down.....seven or eight wars ago......seems like. |
Geesh- three in a row for me. We came down to Rosarito every Wednesday for several years scouting our house location. We actually ate out at more
nice restaurants than we do now. So maybe you're right on that...
[Edited on 6-16-2011 by Woooosh]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by teadust
| Quote: | Originally posted by jenny.navarrette
20% of the population of Mexico lives in a community were the homicide rate was greater than 25 per 100,000. The homicide rate in the US is 5 per
100,000.
40% of the population of Mexico lives in a community were the homicide rate was greater than 15 per 100,000, which is three time the homicide rate in
the US.
80% of the population of Mexico lives in a community were the homicide rate was greater than the homicide rate in the US.
It is so easy to lie when nobody checks your numbers. |
I concur, and am wondering where that chart originated? Was it published by U.S. organization, or one in Mexico? I'd like to learn more about the data
used to produce that. Cheers. |
You concur but you have no idea where Jenny got the data or chart from?
It's just a chart that anybody could have made up and probably did!
I tried to trace some of the words from the chart using these words:
percentage of the mexican population living at or above a homicide rate,by year
Here is one think I was linked too. It's a right-wing hate blog that quotes racist people like Lou Dobbs, Glenn Beck, Tom Tancredo, and Michelle
Malkin! Jenny is in good company here with those three xenophobe bozos and I won't ever say what I think of Malkin who still thinks it was a great
idea to have internment camps for Japanese-Americans during World War II!
I'm not sure if Jenny actually got her chart from this blog, but Google lead me here, and keep in mind Jenny regularly does quote from known hate
sites that have been deemed hate sites according the the Southern Poverty center. So be sure to check Jenny's facts whenever she puts anything up
that you may have doubts about.
It's pretty clear to anybody that studies the facts knows the Mexican drug cartel violence is concentrated in relative few Mexican states, and the
mass majority of those people killed are they themselves involved in illegal activities. I doubt too many gringos not involved in the drug trade have
been found hanging from any bridges in Mexico. In fact I'm sure no gringo has been found hanging from a bridge.
Even if some of Jenny's statistics are correct like how she likes to quotes those homicide rates of 5 per 100,000 vs 25 per 100,000. This is
virtually meaningless because in both cities there are some extremely safe areas, and some extremely dangerous areas. And who really cares if 20 more
drug dealers and/or junkies died in one city compared to another city?
I for one will not let the tag team of Jenny and Woooosh scare me from visiting or living in Mexico.
From the American Conservative the hate blog that Jenny's quote lead me to:
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According to Lou Dobbs, “a third of the prison population in this country is estimated to be illegal aliens,” and Glenn Beck regularly warns of “an
illegal alien crime wave.” Congressman Tom Tancredo insists, “The face of illegal immigration on our borders is one of murder, one of drug smuggling,
one of vandalism for all the communities along the border, and one of infiltration of people coming into this country for purposes to do us great
harm.” Michelle Malkin adds an even more terrifying note, calling our borders “open channels not only for illegal aliens and drug smugglers, but
terrorists, too.” Even as far back as 2000, the highly regarded General Social Survey found that 73 percent of Americans believed that immigration
caused higher crime rates, a level of concern considerably greater than fears about job losses or social unity.
[Edited on 6-16-2011 by JoeJustJoe]
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jenny.navarrette
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| Quote: | Originally posted by teadust
I concur, and am wondering where that chart originated? Was it published by U.S. organization, or one in Mexico? I'd like to learn more about the data
used to produce that. Cheers. |
The chart was created by a Mexican-American named Diego Valle-Jones. He has a blog on Mexican statistics. Here is a link to his blog article:
http://blog.diegovalle.net/2011/01/when-percentages-mislead....
Look like ol' JoeJustJoe just stepped on his pinger again.
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JoeJustJoe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jenny.navarrette
| Quote: | Originally posted by teadust
I concur, and am wondering where that chart originated? Was it published by U.S. organization, or one in Mexico? I'd like to learn more about the data
used to produce that. Cheers. |
The chart was created by a Mexican-American named Diego Valle-Jones. He has a blog on Mexican statistics. Here is a link to his blog article:
http://blog.diegovalle.net/2011/01/when-percentages-mislead....
Look like ol' JoeJustJoe just stepped on his pinger again. |
So in other words Jenny who got your chart from some stupid blog that anybody could make up with their own personal agenda whatever that could be?
There is no boss/editor on personal blogs to check the facts or the sources.
Why do you say Diego Valle-Jones is Mexican-American as if that brings him any credibility? I'm Mexican-American too but I don't see you quoting me
Jenny unless it's something negative and you claim I have written it?
I looked at Diego's picture and Diego Valle-Jones looks white and effeminate looking. What did he do marry a gringo and take their last name? Maybe
he got married in Mexico where they accept same sex-marriage, because I can't think of any other name how he got the Jones last name? In Mexico most
Mexicans go by two surnames but they don't use a hyphen like that. Only married chicks do that. Oh well, nothing wrong with being gay, but I'd want to
know a little bit more about Diego Valle-Jones agenda before I would accept anything he writes as fact.
But thanks for link Jenny, maybe some day you should start your own hate blog on Mexico.
Again Nomad members when Jenny posts something and doesn't link the source. Be sure to ask. I don't know how many times I have busted Jenny, and
others like her when I later find out their are quoting a known dubious hate source like a right-wing hate think tank, or many hate blogs.
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teadust
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
You concur but you have no idea where Jenny got the data or chart from?
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Joe, I was concurring with the sentence "It is so easy to lie when nobody checks your numbers." That's why I asked where that chart and data
derived from. No need to foam; I appreciate your efforts at research.
And that Diego Valle blog is interesting.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
And what do you expect propaganda to sound like? The world economy is in the pooper and Mexico thinks they are being unfairly picked on. The Baja
real estate market isn't coming back in our lifetime. Tourism is a function of how people feel about their financial situations. Unless you are a
vacation destination of the rich and famous- you will be left out.
[Edited on 6-16-2011 by Woooosh] |
I fail to understand why ex-pats would care about tourism. Most I talk with wish that tourists stayed away. Most of 'em want peace and quiet. I would
also think that tourism would be a hindrance to the real estate market. |
Short-sighted Nimby-ism, methinks. Fact is that ex-pats benefit from a vigorous local economy, that really must include tourism.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
I for one will not let the tag team of Jenny and Woooosh scare me from visiting or living in Mexico.
[Edited on 6-16-2011 by JoeJustJoe] |
I don't accept that premise, but I'd take that team over whomever it is you have. 
You kinda lost me when you attacked the chart-yielding blogger's position based solely on his "white and effeminate" looks. You were on a roll for a
while though... 
Did you catch the other chart on the guy's site that showed the increase in Mexico's murder rate since the assault weapons ban expired? Another chart
shows the percentage of guns being used in Mexico homicides. The charts cover 1998-mid2010.
http://blog.diegovalle.net/2010/09/how-expiration-of-assault...
[Edited on 6-16-2011 by Woooosh]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
They are so socially and financially vested in Baja's success that they can't think or see logically? |
Self preservation is logical.
Hoooraaay for me and screw you. That's their premise.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
They are so socially and financially vested in Baja's success that they can't think or see logically? |
Self preservation is logical.
Hoooraaay for me and screw you. That's their premise. |
and they have this Mexican gov't office backing them to boot...
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
and they have this Mexican gov't office backing them to boot... |
They have nothing backing them other than some functionary from the Department of Tourism.
What these marooons don't realize is that Committees in Mexico are like demonstrations. They allow the aggreived to blow off steam and nothing ever
happens.
This "committee" has been having puff meetings for a little while now and they don't even have a plan for their reason to exist.
Their adversary is the US press and what they want to do is silence them. They want to censor the US press for the sake of tourism.
They can't stop the crime, but they think they can stop the world from hearing about it.
You know all of this, Woooosh, only too well.
Gawddddam....a committee of freakin notzeess.
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Wonder if the new downtown parking meters were mentioned in their bid to promote tourism? a buck an hour. They must think this is Newport Beach
instead of Rosarito. Think the timing on this one is a bit off.....
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