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bill erhardt
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Loreto Launch Ramp Fees
Notices are posted at the Loreto launch ramp this morning in Spanish about the plan to start collecting fees for launching/retrieving boats. I
stopped by the office of Arturo Susarrey, local API presidente, and picked up a copy of the attached notice in English. Arturo advised that beginning
tomorrow, July 1, 2011, there will be an API representative on site at the launch ramp between 4:00 a.m. and noon to collect the fees.
Fees collected at the time of launching will include subsequent retrieval.
There is no plan to block access to the ramp when an API representation is not present.
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flyfishinPam
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I think this is an excessive fee! I am in the consejo de pesca as a boardmember of one of the active cooperativas and I will speak out against this.
I do believe that a fee should be charged but this is excessive. I think there should be a monthly pass or annual pass. I will explain that a fee
this high should include secure parking, boat wash down, bathrooms, garbage cans, a well maintained launchramp, specific boat and trailer parking,
etc. I am the voice of reason in these meetings at times, but I must admit that I haven't been able to attend the last several of their meetings due
to the forum in Cabo last week, and a lot of tourism work and also the fact that they have too many freaking meetings.
I'll do what I can you know where I stand on this!
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flyfishinPam
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I just thought further on this. I will submit a formal written complaint as an individual, a member of the sport fishing topurism sector, and of the
productive commercial sector here in Loreto.
This is a good opportunity for users who will be impacted by this fee to voice your opinion. I will gather these ideas and write a complaint against
the amount of this fee and the lack of services associated with it. I am coming from the fact that this is a fishing town and private boaters
shouldn't be penalized by being visitors or users. So, lets hear it folks !
PS: I am expecting a lot of folks off today's plane so I'll be busy all this weekend but I will compose this letter early next week, and if ya want,
Ill run it by ya'll first
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Hook
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That does seem like a lot. Our privately owned ramp over here goes for 8.00US including in and out. And its not like they have a public source of
funds to backstop them. But they do have the rest of the marina to defray launch fees.
What does the ramp at Puerto Escondido run?
[Edited on 6-30-2011 by Hook]
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flyfishinPam
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I talked on the phone to the API office and asked about the 65.00 fee for "Federal Service boat Maritime". They intended to charge us local pangueros
65.00 per day (we were the federal service maritime boats) to use or keep pangas parked inside the marina. Obviously that would have caused the
second Mexican Revolution so yesterday they met and came to an agreement of us paying 70 pesos per month. Sounds good to me but actually too good. I
think there can be a better balance reached here.
I don't know the charge at PE anymore I am sure someone from there will chime in.
Back in 1992 the marina was built with federal money on a program called "con solidaridad" and it was "given to the people of Loreto". This is why
the charge is outrageous because it is ours. The plaque explaining this is between the access road and the ramp, a lady sells coffee next to it and
at times of extreme need it will serve as shade.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
They intended to charge us local pangueros 65.00 per day (we were the federal service maritime boats) to use or keep pangas parked inside the marina.
Obviously that would have caused the second Mexican Revolution so yesterday they met and came to an agreement of us paying 70 pesos per month.
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so the "rich" gringos will provide pay fees to keep ramp maintained, trash collected,... while locals use ramp for pennies.
that is fair, sort of, depending on your POV. given that the income disparity between gringos and locals is large.
it does cost money to keep places open/maintained, and user fees are better than taxes
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LaTijereta
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
They intended to charge us local pangueros 65.00 per day (we were the federal service maritime boats) to use or keep pangas parked inside the marina.
Obviously that would have caused the second Mexican Revolution so yesterday they met and came to an agreement of us paying 70 pesos per month.
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so the "rich" gringos will provide pay fees to keep ramp maintained, trash collected,... while locals use ramp for pennies.
that is fair, sort of, depending on your POV. given that the income disparity between gringos and locals is large.
it does cost money to keep places open/maintained, and user fees are better than taxes |
There are a lot of "private" mexican boats that launch everyday..but more on Sundays.. It will be interesting to see how rates are determined and
collected
They got these signs up just in time for the "Fishing for the Mision" tournament next month.. That will allow everyone to have a memroable experiance
that comes down to Loreto..
BTW.. That plaque "given to the people of Loreto", that Pam mentioned was removed by API last year as I recall.. kinda out of sight out of mind...
Democracy is like two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
Ben Franklin (1759)
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flyfishinPam
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| Quote: | Originally posted by LaTijereta
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
They intended to charge us local pangueros 65.00 per day (we were the federal service maritime boats) to use or keep pangas parked inside the marina.
Obviously that would have caused the second Mexican Revolution so yesterday they met and came to an agreement of us paying 70 pesos per month.
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so the "rich" gringos will provide pay fees to keep ramp maintained, trash collected,... while locals use ramp for pennies.
that is fair, sort of, depending on your POV. given that the income disparity between gringos and locals is large.
it does cost money to keep places open/maintained, and user fees are better than taxes |
There are a lot of "private" mexican boats that launch everyday..but more on Sundays.. It will be interesting to see how rates are determined and
collected
They got these signs up just in time for the "Fishing for the Mision" tournament next month.. That will allow everyone to have a memroable experiance
that comes down to Loreto..
BTW.. That plaque "given to the people of Loreto", that Pam mentioned was removed by API last year as I recall.. kinda out of sight out of mind...
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no it wasn't. the sign in front was replaced but go to it and read the plaque that sits at an angle above it, its written right there
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Hook
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What is API?
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We're talking pesos right? $129.00 or roughly $11 bucks.
Just do it!
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bajario
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Like La Tijerita mentioned, it will make launching during the tourney in two weeks a nightmare. But still quite a bit cheaper than PE. Hopefully if
this sticks it'll get the kinks worked out by tournament time. Like being able to buy the passes the day before. I prefer to not have to get up any
earlier than I have to.
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flyfishinPam
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I saw them collecting the fee this morning and things went pretty smoothly. They had about 15 people collecting the fee and checking paperwork. They
weren't charging pangas that were working but they did close the access road to the dock just like when the cruise ship is here.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajario
it will make launching during the tourney in two weeks a nightmare. |
"nightmare" seems a bit dramatic. why would the fee cause a "nightmare" during launching?
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LaTijereta
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Pam..
Have they mentioned anything about a monthly pass for "private boaters" to help streamline the process the morning?
They did back down on the "federal service boats", and gave them a monthly deal...
What is their description of a "federal service maritime boat" ?
Democracy is like two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
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I am a resident and I don't have a problem paying a reasonable fee to use the launch ramp.
However I do find 129 pesos to be a bit much for what is offered.
Pangueros and local residents should be able to purchase a monthly pass for a reduced charge.
However.....that fee should be the same for ALL residents.
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 You got to pay
to play!  And the money collected will pay for the collectors time.
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Paula
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We are fine with paying a fee if it provides a job for a few collectors, and if some of the money goes to maintaining/improving the ramp facilities
for boaters.
I hope our money is not used to build more barricades to fishermen for the benefit of the cruise ships.
I think the fee is high, maybe 100 pesos would be sufficient, and a nice round number would eliminate the need for making change, as change is so
often hard to come by here.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
What is API? |
Administracion Portuaria Integral
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Alan
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I can't believe I am actually agreeing with MG666 but I too feel user fees are better than taxes. I also agree that a round number such as $100 pesos
would be much easier to collect and speed the process and they should establish an annual rate to provide a decal for locals and those who depend on
the ramp for their livelyhood.
$10/day would not deter me from launching in Loreto, especially if that money was re-invested in improvements to the facility. As Loreto continues to
grow their limited tax revenues could be better spent on the infrastructure that affects all of their citizens, not just those involved with the
fishing industry (even though the majority of the town still benefits from it). Sportfishing and tourism has been the life blood of Loreto for many
years and there is no reason they shouldn't continue to capitalize on it. This is revenue that will be raised in Loreto and will stay in Loreto,
unlike the fishing license fees that they receive nothing from.
In Memory of E-57
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A couple of things need to be understood. The foreign community in Loreto is not opposed to paying a fee to launch, most just think it would be better
to charge the same amount to EVERYONE who uses the facilities.
I went down to the ramp this morning and what I witnessed was if you are a local Mexican there was no charge. Private boat or not it didn't matter. A
local car mechanic launched, he wasn't approached for a fee. Although a local American launched and was asked to pay. This is blatant DISCRIMINATION
It isn't the first time I have seen this in my twenty years in Loreto; but it is disturbing........."love it or leave it" you say, fine but it is
things like this that pull the Mexican/Foreign community further apart. Things come and go in Mexico, this will too. The local people in charge just
have to come up with a solution where ANYONE who uses the ramp pays the same fee and not feel as though you have more so you should pay more. That is
the way it is done in Puerto Escondido, and there is no problem there.
[Edited on 7-2-2011 by CJ]
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