David K
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Baja Bound's Baja Travel Adventures, 10 adventures now posted.
I just heard from Baja Geoff that the articles and photos (5 so far) are now easy to find on their home page, here is the direct link to the Baja
Travel index:
http://www.bajabound.com/bajatravel/
Thanks Geoff!
[Edited on 2-16-2012 by David K]
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Nice.
I especially like the first one because it has a map.
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David K
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There is a link in my story to accurate ECR maps, however... and more can be seen in my web site and here on Nomad... Like satellite images of ECR
from Santa Maria south to Loreto.
Thanks for the comment.. and I am happy to provide more maps and details!!
[Edited on 2-16-2012 by David K]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
...I am happy to provide more maps and details!! |
Great. 
I love maps; it helps to see exactly where the locations are.
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Please just ask for any map or to see any area of Baja on a map... including historical maps... I have maps of Baja from 1701 to 2009 or so.
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Latest story is on the Eiffel Church in Santa Roaslia: http://www.bajabound.com/bajatravel/eiffel_church_of_santa_r...
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Where is the map on the first page.
| Quote: | Originally posted by tjBill
Nice.
I especially like the first one because it has a map. |
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Udo
Where is the map on the first page.
| Quote: | Originally posted by tjBill
Nice.
I especially like the first one because it has a map. |
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That was a reply on the El Camino Real story (which was the first one then)... Funny part is that map was not my doing... it was added by Geoff and it
is quite wrong from Loreto to San Ignacio!
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My Guerrero Negro/ Malarrimo article is now posted: http://www.bajabound.com/bajatravel/guerrero_negro.php
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Please just ask for any map or to see any area of Baja on a map... including historical maps... I have maps of Baja from 1701 to 2009 or so.
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Way cool. I may take you up on that offer of maps someday. I use the Baja Almanac most of the time but would be interested in another take. Is this
El Camino real the same that hooks up here thru O'side and up the coast?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ateo
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Please just ask for any map or to see any area of Baja on a map... including historical maps... I have maps of Baja from 1701 to 2009 or so.
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Way cool. I may take you up on that offer of maps someday. I use the Baja Almanac most of the time but would be interested in another take. Is this
El Camino real the same that hooks up here thru O'side and up the coast? |
YES.
El Camino Real in California was a road system to connect the population centers (missions and visitas)... It was primarily the mission road from
Loreto north to San Francisco...
However, real road building of the Camino Real was only performed by the Jesuits, who were removed in 1768. Their well built road only got as far
north as Mision San Borja. Their final mission sites of Calamajue and Santa Maria were not established long enough for the road to be built to typical
Jesuit standards.
The Franciscans and Dominicans who followed were not the road builders that the Jesuits were... So, the Camino Real north of San Borja to El Rosario
is mostly nothing more than a well worn cow
trail. Only a few places were switchbacks were needed can you see something more significant. Weather being wetter close to the Pacific along with
growing populations, ablitereted traces of the Camino Real north from El Rosario.
Harry Crosby and his crew did a great job locating the trail to San Diego in his book 'Gateway to Alta California'. Of course his book 'The King's
Highway in Baja California' is a great read on the Baja El Camino Real. Harry road muleback from San Jose Comondu to San Fernando Velicata to research
the trail.
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If you would like to see the route of the Jesuit Camino Real in Baja, from Santa Maria south to Loreto... on maps and Google Earth satellite photos...
I have posted it all here on Nomad, including some of the parallel routes (there were more than one El Camino Real)... Start here: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=37019
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by ateo
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Please just ask for any map or to see any area of Baja on a map... including historical maps... I have maps of Baja from 1701 to 2009 or so.
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Way cool. I may take you up on that offer of maps someday. I use the Baja Almanac most of the time but would be interested in another take. Is this
El Camino real the same that hooks up here thru O'side and up the coast? |
YES.
El Camino Real in California was a road system to connect the population centers (missions and visitas)... It was primarily the mission road from
Loreto north to San Francisco...
However, real road building of the Camino Real was only performed by the Jesuits, who were removed in 1768. Their well built road only got as far
north as Mision San Borja. Their final mission sites of Calamajue and Santa Maria were not established long enough for the road to be built to typical
Jesuit standards.
The Franciscans and Dominicans who followed were not the road builders that the Jesuits were... So, the Camino Real north of San Borja to El Rosario
is mostly nothing more than a well worn cow
trail. Only a few places were switchbacks were needed can you see something more significant. Weather being wetter close to the Pacific along with
growing populations, ablitereted traces of the Camino Real north from El Rosario.
Harry Crosby and his crew did a great job locating the trail to San Diego in his book 'Gateway to Alta California'. Of course his book 'The King's
Highway in Baja California' is a great read on the Baja El Camino Real. Harry road muleback from San Jose Comondu to San Fernando Velicata to research
the trail. |
Wow! Thanks for the history. I dig this stuff. I figured El Camino Real went up north but I didn't know it went all the way to SF. I always see
parts of an old road next to highway 8 out past Campo and Alpine and down into the imperial Valley. Looks like an old 2 laner - if that. I always
imagine an old model T cruising at 20 miles an hour, over the Tecate divide, on the way to old SD.
I'll check out the route you posted.
[Edited on 11-1-2011 by ateo]
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too bad the historical references were not cited in the articles.
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David K
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Mision San Francisco Javier
Another story added... for the January newsletter. It and the others are linked on the Baja Bound home page, as 'Baja Travel Adventures' on the left
side.
Here is a direct link to the travel articles, including the latest on San Javier:
http://www.bajabound.com/bajatravel/
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
too bad the historical references were not cited in the articles. |
I am always happy to help anyone research Baja history. If you have a specific question, just ask. As for my book sources, here is what I use for
history of Baja stories, from my collection:
(The first five are by Harry Crosby)
The King's Highway in Baja California
Last of the Californios
The Cave Paintings of Baja California
Antigua California
Gateway to Alta California
A History of Lower California by Pablo L. Martinez
History of (Lower) California by Francisco Javier Clavigero
Peninsular California by Charles Nordhoff
Black Robes in Lower California by Peter Masten Dunne
The Letters of Jacob Baegert 1749-1761 Jesuit Missionary in Baja California (Dawson's Book Shop #45)
Ethnology and Linguistics of Baja California by Miguel Del Barco (Dawson's Book Shop #44)
Discovery of the Kingdom of California (1632) by Nicolas de Cardona (Dawson's Book Shop #35)
The Peninsular California Missions 1808-1880 by Francis J. Weber
The Central Desert of Baja California: Demography and Ecology by Homer Aschmann
Camp and Camino in Lower California by Arthur W. North
The Mother of California by Arthur W. North
Western Panorama 1849-1875 by J. Ross Browne
Voyagers to California by Del Wilcox
Where the Old West Never Died by Paul Sanford
Baja California Railroads by John A. Kirchner
Baja: Land of Lost Missions by Marquis Mc Donald
Baja California: Vanished Missions, Lost Treasures, Strange Stories Tall and True by Choral Pepper
Towns of Baja California by David Goldbaum
Baja California and its Missions by Tomas Robertson
Historic Sketches of the Californias (Spanish and Mexican Periods) by Philip S. Rush
Baja Legends by Greg Niemann
Loreto, Baja California (First Mission and Capital of Spanish California) by Ann & Don O'Neil
Indian population Decline (The Missions of Northwestern New Spain, 1687-1840) by Robert H. Jackson
Saints and Demons in a Desert Wilderness (A History and Guide to Baja California's Spanish Missions) by Dave Werschkul
The Californios (Photographs and Stories about the Descendents of the Mission Era in Baja California, Mexico) by Leland Foerster
Time of the Bells (The History of San Diego) by Richard F. Pourade
The Call to California (The Epic Journey of the Potola-Serra Expedition in 1769) by Richard F. Pourade (photography by Harry Crosby)
Las Misiones Antiguas (The Spanish Missions of Baja California) by Edward W. Vernon
The Unforgettable Sea of Cortez by Gene S. Kira
The Missions and Missionaries of California, Volume 1. Lower California by Zephyrin Engelhardt (Second Edition c1929)
The Dominican Mission Frontier of Lower California by Peveril Meigs c1935
The Missions of Baja California 1683-1848 by W. Michael Mathes c1977
The Camino Real and the Missions of the Baja California by Miguel Leon-Portilla c2008
The Land of Calafia: A Brief History of Peninsular California by W. Michael Mathes c2009
Lower California Guidebook by Gerhard & Gulick c1962
I also have several magazine-like publications of history related contents... and old maps, too!
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The February edition of Baja Bound's newsletter will feature an article and several photos on the petrified wood forest near El Rosario... Here is the
article: http://www.bajabound.com/bajatravel/petrified_forest_of_el_r...
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