toneart
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PRI will make the deal
I am the Nut whose vision has been showing this for a couple of years, and I have stated it here several times. (Remember my visions of total world
economic collapse? Sadly, that is happening before our eyes too. Now everybody is a visionary in hindsight).
Here it comes: it is the only way for the Government to get a handle on stopping the violence. They will have to make deals with these slimeballs.
The War on Drugs will not work! It has been lost. All wars are lost. There are no winners. The AP story that follows is a hard pill to swallow...a
poison pill which kills any hope of honor and decency; a nasty solution for which there is no other.
MEXICO CITY (AP) — Former President Vicente Fox suggested Friday that Mexican authorities consider calling on drug cartels for a truce and offering
them amnesty, speaking out a day after an apparent cartel attack on a casino killed 52 people.
Fox, who served from 2000 to 2006, has since advocated legalizing drugs as a way to reduce violence. At least 35,000 and as many as 40,000 people have
died since President Felipe Calderon launched an offensive against the cartels in late 2006.
"I want to start a public debate on the following ideas ... call on the violent groups for a truce" and "evaluate the advisability of an amnesty law,"
Fox said in a speech at an anti-crime event.
Last week, the attorney general of the violence-wracked southern state of Guerrero, Alberto Lopez Rosas, drew criticism when he called on cartels to
establish a truce among themselves to prevent civilian casualties in their bloody turf battles.
Federal security spokesman Alejandro Poire rejected that idea this week, saying the gangs must be arrested and disbanded.
"Regarding calls by authorities for the criminals to change their behavior, I think it couldn't be clearer that peace is not going to be achieved by
asking the criminals for something," Poire said.
"Peace is going to be achieved by bringing the criminals to justice ... that their thinking will not be influenced by appealing to their interests by
calling on them to change their ways, but by giving them no choice but to submit to the law and stop their crimes."
Also Friday, one of Mexico's newest drug cartels posted wanted banners for members of a rival cartel, asking the public for help in capturing
"kidnappers and traitors to the nation" and promising punishment.
The banners were put up by the Knights Templar, which formed around March. The cartel is an offshoot of La Familia, a pseudo-religious gang based in
the western state of Michoacan. Both cartels are now feuding.
The banners showed five mugshots and listed the names of six men thought to have worked for La Familia. The banners claimed the men now are with the
Zetas, another cartel that has operations throughout Mexico.
Rewards for the whereabouts of the men ranged from $100,000 to $500,000. The banner listed a phone number, which rang busy when tried by The
Associated Press.
Mexican authorities took down the banners.
And on Friday, authorities in a luxurious western suburb of Mexico City found the headless body of a man and a handwritten message in which the
violent Hand With Eyes drug gang took credit for the killing.
City prosecutors said the body was found in the ritzy Santa Fe neighborhood.
In the Pacific coast resort of Acapulco, state police reported they found the body of a man who had had been shot, bound and beaten, and hung by the
neck from a pedestrian bridge with a piece of chain. The chain broke and the man's body fell into the roadway.
Hanging bodies from bridges has become a hallmark of drug gangs in northern Mexico, and the tactic has begun to spread to southern states like
Guerrero, where Acapulco is located.
 
More on War : like all wars, truces are eventually made; enemies are forgiven; all of the dead have died in vain; billions were wasted and the world
continues to hurtle towards its sickened, doomed fate. But that is the product of the War Mentality- that world citizens are duped into accepting;
acculturation begins in the schools; nationalism; political vitriol; death and destruction seen on TV; hut hut hut, onward (whatever religion is
marching) soldiers; desensitization; wave a flag and march on.
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Hook
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Amnesty, huh? For murder? What, these slimeballs suddenly become model citizens?
Didnt Chamberlain sign a truce with the devil once?
Truces only work with civilized people. The beheadings, the attacks on innocents, the mutilations show these people to be otherwise.
And it's not like the cartels can control the underlings beneath them in all cases.
I'm all for legalization of drugs, NOB, but you cant let this kind of element run amok in your country without continuing repercussions.
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DENNIS
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EX-PRESIDENT OF MEXICO LOBBYS FOR DRUG CARTELS
Shamelessly lifted from TalkBaja....
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Ex-Mexico prez suggests truce with drug cartels
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MEXICO CITY – Former President Vicente Fox suggested Friday that Mexican authorities consider calling on drug cartels for a truce and offering them
amnesty, speaking out a day after an apparent cartel attack on a casino killed 52 people.
Fox, who served from 2000 to 2006, has since advocated legalizing drugs as a way to reduce violence. At least 35,000 and as many as 40,000 people have
died since President Felipe Calderon launched an offensive against the cartels in late 2006.
"I want to start a public debate on the following ideas ... call on the violent groups for a truce" and "evaluate the advisability of an amnesty law,"
Fox said in a speech at an anti-crime event.
Last week, the attorney general of the violence-wracked southern state of Guerrero, Alberto Lopez Rosas, drew criticism when he called on cartels to
establish a truce among themselves to prevent civilian casualties in their bloody turf battles.
Federal security spokesman Alejandro Poire rejected that idea this week, saying the gangs must be arrested and disbanded.
"Regarding calls by authorities for the criminals to change their behavior, I think it couldn't be clearer that peace is not going to be achieved by
asking the criminals for something," Poire said.
"Peace is going to be achieved by bringing the criminals to justice ... that their thinking will not be influenced by appealing to their interests by
calling on them to change their ways, but by giving them no choice but to submit to the law and stop their crimes."
Also Friday, one of Mexico's newest drug cartels posted wanted banners for members of a rival cartel, asking the public for help in capturing
"kidnappers and traitors to the nation" and promising punishment.
The banners were put up by the Knights Templar, which formed around March. The cartel is an offshoot of La Familia, a pseudo-religious gang based in
the western state of Michoacan. Both cartels are now feuding.
The banners showed five mugshots and listed the names of six men thought to have worked for La Familia. The banners claimed the men now are with the
Zetas, another cartel that has operations throughout Mexico.
Rewards for the whereabouts of the men ranged from $100,000 to $500,000. The banner listed a phone number, which rang busy when tried by The
Associated Press.
Mexican authorities took down the banners.
And on Friday, authorities in a luxurious western suburb of Mexico City found the headless body of a man and a handwritten message in which the
violent Hand With Eyes drug gang took credit for the killing.
City prosecutors said the body was found in the ritzy Santa Fe neighborhood.
In the Pacific coast resort of Acapulco, state police reported they found the body of a man who had had been shot, bound and beaten, and hung by the
neck from a pedestrian bridge with a piece of chain. The chain broke and the man's body fell into the roadway.
Hanging bodies from bridges has become a hallmark of drug gangs in northern Mexico, and the tactic has begun to spread to southern states like
Guerrero, where Acapulco is located.
In the wake of the attack on the casino in Monterrey, the U.S. consulate in that city issued an emergency message for U.S. citizens, noting earlier,
less deadly attacks on casinos in neighboring Tamaulipas state.
While no American citizens have been reported killed in the attacks, the consulate said that "levels of violence in Monterrey's consular district have
risen dramatically." Consular employees and their families have been told "to avoid frequenting casinos, adult clubs, and similar gathering places
that have been targets for violence by transnational criminal organizations."
The consular statement said "U.S. citizens should defer unnecessary travel to parts of Northern Mexico."
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David K
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Is he also helping Ron Paul run for president? 
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sancho
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When all else fails, I too rely on self congratulations.
Who's going to applaud you if you first don't
applaud yourself?
(Hook nice Chamberlain reference)
[Edited on 8-27-2011 by sancho]
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Dave
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It's not the only way...
| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
Here it comes: it is the only way for the Government to get a handle on stopping the violence. They will have to make deals with these slimeballs.
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Or the best way...
But it is the easiest way.
Typical of Mexico...Going with the flow...
And we all know where that leads. 
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Bajahowodd
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Is not what Fox said akin to Bush holding a press conference and imploring Obama to bring the troops home stat?
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DENNIS
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I just spent an afternoon with an old friend who has been in this area for many years. He has been sooo involved that it would take your breath away.
He's an American.
He told me, without giving names here, of the involvement of individuals, how the local buisness people are involved in the drug trade. Those
businesses that require an accountant are dirty.
He explained that his lapsed wife, a connected individual, had killers and police assault his life on occasion. They came to his door with
machine-guns for intimidation.
He may have been a bit soiled as well. He say's no.
Point is....we, that want nothing to do with it all, are screwed. The movers and shakers in Punta Banda are filthy. They may be in the burrito
business up front, but the are in the drug business as well.
Cartels hire and never fire. They make you do the job you agreed to do.
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Bajahowodd
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Especially scary since no one is power would ever come close to actually trying to legalize drugs.
But, I do find it interesting, as far as Mexico is concerned, that the Casino massacre has brought to the surface the class distinctions. It wasn't
quite that much of a problema when it was cartel killing caretl, or when it was the poorest of the poor being sacrificed. But when the annointed
middle and upper middle class find themselves at risk, well.....
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
It wasn't quite that much of a problema when it was cartel killing caretl, |
Where does it say this wasn't the motivation??
Where does it say this wasn't a cartel message?
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woody with a view
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caretl? is that Nahuatl for cartel?
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