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shari
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Good news about the gross Tuna fleet in Asuncion
For the past week, there have been up to 14 enormous tuna boats working very very close to shore...even between the islands...which by the way are in
the nuclear zone of the Biosphere Reserve...sometimes only a mile offshore. They have been netting tons and tons and tons of bonita and yellowtail and
everything else that happens to be in the net.
Their helicopters buzzed the islands scaring birds and generators droned all night in the bay.
There was concern because the beaches have been strewn with dead cormorants, sea lions and sea turtles...some thought that this was from the tuna
fleet but most likely these come from the local cooperativas nets that are close to shore here in the village....blame where blame is due????
Wouldnt it be lovely to see the end of nets...at least in the biosphere reserve!
The bay was icky with alot of refuse from all those boats dumping crap. In short, it was awful and many people were upset that the fishery was
violating many fisheries regulations.
I got a wonderful phone call last night that an inspector from La Paz came and shut it down and VOILA...the monsters haved moved on...hip hip hooray.
[Edited on 8-29-2011 by shari]
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JaraHurd
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We are never gonna learn..are we Shari...... How sad. Catch em all until there is nothing to catch.... The train wreck is coming.....slowly..but it is
coming...
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Russ
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So they move on to another place and do the same thing. How long did it take for someone to do something about them right in front of you? Two weeks?
Think of the rapeage (sp) when there is no one to call about them. They should have all been hauled into port and the ships taken and sunk for reef
habitat! It won't stop until the Mexican government starts enforcing the laws that are already on the books. 
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karenintx
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Russ
So they move on to another place and do the same thing. |
Saw one of these boats coming around "El Arco" (CSL) yesterday around 4:30 pm. We were wondering what kind of boat it was, as it didn't look like the
typical shrimp boat we see around here. Also wondered where it was coming from/going to. As far as "laws on the books"...money speaks louder than
words. In CZM, we watched the cruise ship companies build a dock on top of one the best diving reef back in early 1990's...only after paying off the
Mexican government of course!
Sad to see.
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shari
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Almost every day we see, hear or read reports of fisherman bringing in a catch waaaaay over their limits, people fish without licenses, fish with coop
fishermen who aren't permitted to take out sports fishers etc. We whine and complain about the state of the fisheries but rarely do people do anything
about it.
If every one of us took responsibility for the fishery and began reporting illegal fishing activities and captures, things may improve. Here is where
you can make a report anonymously or sign your name. Take photos of the people involved and their boats and send them in with your complaint.
http://www.inspeccion.conapesca.sagarpa.gob.mx/PescaIlegal/P...
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surfdoc
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That is fantastic news Shari.... Thankyou, The frustration level of watching this all unfold before my eyes has been unreal!
Now we have pangas full of nets coming from the other pueblos down the coast... guess they fish they're area out then move to greener pastures..
Oh well.........again thanks for the news and the website!!!
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Russ
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Thanks for the site !
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msteve1014
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| Quote: | Originally posted by surfdoc
Now we have pangas full of nets coming from the other pueblos down the coast... guess they fish they're area out then move to greener pastures..
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Yeah Stan, thats what happened. There are no more fish in La Bocana or Abreojos. Never will be again. Get real, the boats go where the fish are NOW.
They will come home soon enough. And we NEVER see Asuncion boats down here, nope, never.BS
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surfdoc
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| Quote: | Originally posted by msteve1014
| Quote: | Originally posted by surfdoc
Now we have pangas full of nets coming from the other pueblos down the coast... guess they fish they're area out then move to greener pastures..
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Yeah Stan, thats what happened. There are no more fish in La Bocana or Abreojos. Never will be again. Get real, the boats go where the fish are NOW.
They will come home soon enough. And we NEVER see Asuncion boats down here, nope, never.BS |
Wow.......guess I hit a nerve, sorry but the Pangas don't say either of those Ciudads... Guess you know more then I do..
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How far from shore does the Biosphere extend, five kilometers?
Were the vessels fined, or simply told to leave? What violation ultimately led the inspector to jettison the boats?
And where do the Asuncion fishing cooperatives stand on this? Why, after all year monitoring the coastline with vigilantes would they tolerate such a
brazen and damaging threat to the very reefs they protect? Nets do no harm, is that it?
Jake
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Russ
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I have seen.....
I call then rouge netters. They have a refer truck follow them around. It parks in some hidden spot just off the good road and the rouge netters go in
and set their nets and when they're either full or finished raping an area they unload into the refer truck and move to the next area. In this area
they are common during the winter. And there isn't just one group doing this. The locals hate them (at least here they do) but there is really nothing
to be done. They're just Nomadic bands of fishermen. Of course they have been doing this for a few generations so they are totally dialed into where
the fish should be during the year. And with cell phones it is even easier.
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Someone is buying the fish. Are we as consumers ready to pay full market price? I am not saying overfishing is acceptable. But we must also be
willing to pay the true price for protecting the fisheries.
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msteve1014
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Gee, maybe I jumped to a conclusion, but that was a cheap shot at someone, and LB has been a main target around here lately.
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Shari, Wish you luck! It would be a shame to see the coastal Pacific fishing areas depleted. There're just too many hooks, too many nets. Where once
there was one net, now there're ten. The fish can't escape. What you're witnessing is the end of a lifestyle.
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What a shame. Plus you have to consider the millions of dolphins, turtles, and other animals that are killed each year by purse seiners. All of these
animals, including the fish feel pain and suffer when killed by this industry.
Kudos to those who see and report fishery violators. Keep up the good work.
And what about the shark fin soup horror!!
What can the 99.99% of us who don't see fishery violators do? Eat a plant based diet. It benefits the individual and all the animals. I'm a vegetarian
and yes, I occasionally fall off the wagon and chow down a cheeseburger, maybe 3 times in the past year. Tastes great, but I feel horrible afterwards.
It's a reminder of how poisonous eating dead animals is.
Try a plant based diet, you'll like it. You'll lose weight, feel great, and dramatically decrease the likelihood of heart disease and other chronic
diseases brought on by eating and being fat. Plus you'll know some animal didn't suffer so you could fill your stomach.
Stop eating animals. It's the solution to a whole host of problems.
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Just left Cedros and there are three large seiners (with helicopter) that look a lot like the ones in Shari's pictures, so they did not move very far.
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These large seiners with helos on deck are the same, or just like the ones that used to be berthed in Ensenada before the Dolphin Safe regulations ran
them off. I thought they went to American Somoa.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
These large seiners with helos on deck are the same, or just like the ones that used to be berthed in Ensenada before the Dolphin Safe regulations ran
them off. I thought they went to American Somoa. |
I've read that's where the now gone San Diego fleet operates.
You bring up a good point. Where are these seiners from? Maybe they are the San Diego guys sneaking back.
Are these boats flying flags? Not that it means much. Skull and crossbones perhaps?
[Edited on 8-30-2011 by SFandH]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by SFandH
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
These large seiners with helos on deck are the same, or just like the ones that used to be berthed in Ensenada before the Dolphin Safe regulations ran
them off. I thought they went to American Somoa. |
I've read that's where the now gone San Diego fleet operates.
You bring up a good point. Where are these seiners from? Maybe they are the San Diego guys sneaking back.
Are these boats flying flags? Not that it means much. Skull and crossbones perhaps?
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The boats Dennis is talking about are first class they have refigerated hatches and can exploit a very wide range
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DENNIS
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American Somoa must be an unflushed toilet. They say when it is approached by water, you can smell the place long before you can see it.
It's always nice to associate those odors with the food we eat. 
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